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Re: [RC] Horse that pulls back - Elizabeth Walker

I agree, Kat. I've seen horses like this - the tie them till they quit fighting just doesn't work. My first horse didn't have a tie problem, but he did have a submission problem.

His solution to a rider that asked too much of him was to find the most dangerous thing in the area (oncoming car, cliff, fence, etc.) and to throw himself into danger. I got him after he had thrown himself onto a fence to get rid of his latest "I'll fix this horse" rider.

He was a great horse. I just had to *ask* him to do things, and keep asking until I got it. If I ran into difficulties, then I had to find a different way to present the question instead of just getting stronger with him. If you demanded, came on too strong, (or God forbid, actually smacked him with a crop instead of just touching him with it), it would push his resistance button, and you had nothing but a fight. Show him that you would work with him, and he would work with you.


On Apr 16, 2009, at 9:38 PM, k s swigart wrote:



Dawn said:


She had obviously been "taught," by use of those halters
 that break when a horse sets back, that she could break
 loose.? Once she found out she couldn't, she gave up.? :)

This only works on horses that give up. Me? I have worked with horses that will die before they will give up. In fact, one of the ones I have I got because some other trainer tried to get her to give up and she hung herself from the tie rail rather than quit...at which time he pronounced her "too stupid to learn" (since she trampled him into the ground rather than let him tie her up again) so he offered to take her to the auction for her owners.


For me, she stands tied just fine. In fact, I use her for a a ride & tie horse. I didn't teach her this by letting her struggle and hoping she would quit. I already knew that she has no quit in her.

She is not the only horse that I have worked with that is like this; I LIKE horses that don't know the meaning of the word quit. They can be a little more challenging to train, because they will die before they comply, and after you have trained them, you have to be careful not to ask too much of them...because they will die before they refuse to comply.

kat
Orange County, Calif.
:)

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