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You are right, Kat. What was I thinking? Of course you need to tell the Jr's 
and inexperienced ones how to do it, because how else would they know? Why 
should we let the inexperienced riders and the young adults try to figure 
things out for themselves? I will wait anxiously for your article in a 
future EN.

I wasn't implying that she not be treated as an adult. Although at nineteen, 
she isn't of age to drink, has only been driving for a few years, and has 
just gotten out of high school in the last year or two. I was emphasizing 
her age to point out that young adults may not have all the EXPERIENCE that 
the rest of you have. So why do you expect her to write about what YOU know?

If the author of that article thought she was as right as you Kat, she 
wouldn't change a thing. It was about her experience, not yours or anyone 
else's. Grammar and spelling are for editing. Fact checking is for just 
that. A person's experience or opinion isn't meant to be "corrected". You 
might not agree with it, but so what? Why does that make it wrong?

I guess I was trying to say it's time to move on.

Lisa Salas, the Oddf aRm
I have no editor, just spell check :)

P.S. Did anyone ever figure out what the difference is between one 90 mile 
training week and 3 days in a row of 50's at a ride? Besides 60 miles?? I 
can not do word math problems well. I am not sure I can get the correct 
answer on this one.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "k s swigart" <katswig@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Ridecamp" <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:19 AM
Subject: [RC] Nineteen? (was: Big Ride Training)


> Lisa Salas said:
>
> > You are critiquing this young person as if she were
> > a professional rider and writer. How old is she?
> > Nineteen?? NINETEEN!
>
> So...which of us has more respect for the author of this article.  Me?
> Who thinks no matter what her age that the article should be evaluated
> on its merits of the information it contains and how it is presented, or
> somebody who thinks that it shouldn't be held to any standards because,
> after all, the author is too young and inexperienced to know any better?
>
> _I_ am unwilling to dismiss the less that perfect language in her
> writing as irrelevant because I am willing to treat her as an adult, and
> I think to do otherwise is condescending.
>
> And, FWIW...when _I_ was nineteen, my first summer job in college was as
> a professional technical writer.  And if/when I had written something
> that didn't come across successfully for my intended audience, then my
> boss (my editor) would have/did help me fix it so it did....and I am a
> better writer for it.  I wouldn't be if he hadn't bothered but instead
> just patted me on the head and said "jolly good effort for a teen-ager."
> He had more respect for me than that.
>
> Of course, since he was the editor, it was his job to do more than just
> pat me on the head...
>
> I don't know how many of you read books or the "acknowledgements"
> section in them, but almost invariably authors give praise and cudos to
> their great editors, "without whom it could never have been done."
>
> Publishing without an editor (which is what the Internet is) or
> publishing without a competent editor (which is what Lisa is suggesting
> with this statement: "This was an article for EN, (which is a great
> magazine but it isn't TIME magazine ...)") is fraught with danger
> because you are, in essence, asking your audience to be your editor.
>
> However, imagine this, you are another junior rider who would is keen to
> get your horse ready for Tevis or some other big ride, and you read an
> article in the Endurance News under "junior news" that says you must
> ride your horse every other day, you have to get in 90 miles in the week
> exactly 8 weeks before the ride, that you have to do a 50 miler exactly
> 6 weeks before the ride...and your response is...
>
> "My god, I could never do that.  I will never be able to do Tevis or any
> other big ride."
>
> And you are discouraged to the extent that you give up your hopes
> entirely.
>
> Or...you are the inexperienced parent of said junior rider, and YOU read
> in the Endurance News that this is what your kid is going to have to do
> in order to ever do a big ride.  You don't know any better and it IS
> published in the official publication of the American Endurance Ride
> Conference...
>
> SOMEBODY needs to tell all the other juniors and inexperienced riders in
> the audience of the Endurance News that this ain't necessarily so.

> Pardon me for treating her as an adult.
>
> kat
> Orange County, Calif.
> :)
>
>
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