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RE: [RC] Hard Keeper and Competition Horse... two questions - heidi

For your old-timer, have you checked teeth?  I'm slow weighing in here, so others have likely said this, too--but that's the starting point.
 
At that age, many horses are getting to the point that their teeth CAN'T be fixed sufficiently to be serviceable, and if that is the case, take care of the painful parts and then replace part of the hay (how much will depend on how bad the teeth are and what it takes by trial and error to get this horse back in shape) with a soaked mixture of alfalfa pellets, senior feed, and beet pulp.  Don't put in the sweet feed--there's more than enough of that in the senior feeds--what the horse with poor dentition needs is "pre-masticated" forage, which the soaked alfalfa pellets and beet pulp will provide. 
 
I had one oldster on a complete replacement diet like this for 2-3 years, after a couple of years of a partial replacement diet--he had gotten quite thin, but got back in good flesh and did quite well.  He got one 3# coffee can of each twice daily, all soaked into a slurry.  I currently have another oldster on a partial replacement diet like this--he still gets some benefit from a flake of alfalfa hay twice daily, and he's the only horse on the place that I've not been able to graft onto beet pulp--but he gets half a can of senior and 1.5 cans of alfalfa pellets soaked twice daily, in addition to that flake of hay, and is doing nicely.  I give you these two examples as an idea of the sorts of quantities needed.
 
For your broodmare getting back in shape--she doesn't need designer feeds, she needs the best forage source you can find, free choice.
 
In both cases, also consider a fenbendazole purge deworming.
 
Heidi


I have an older Arab gelding (27 in May) who is a very hard keeper and am
starting to see ribs and bony hips.  We've picked up his feed to half a
3lb coffee can of 10% sweet feed, half a can of senior feed, and 1/4 can
of alfalfa pellets twice a day, plus free choice hay.  He is given light
work as a school horse on weekends only.

Feed is top dressed with about 3/4 cup of corn oil.

What can I add to help him put on some weight?  Are there any special
feeds targeted to older horses who are hard keepers?  Perhaps I should cut
sweet feed back and increase the senior formula?

When I had Nafal in New Mexico I could put him on Alfalfa hay and he'd do
just fine in the wintertime.

Second issue: my new endurance mount is an 11 year old mare who I'm just
now reconditioning.  She has completed some very tough races in her
younger days, but recently weaned a baby and is just now getting back into
shape.  I am very wary of any feed targeted for endurance horses as my
expectation is that such feeds are "designer feeds" that are overhyped and
overpriced.  Still, I'm willing to consider such a feed if it provides
proven nutritional advantages.  Are there any endurance feeds that really
provide an advantage over normal performance feeds from the standard
suppliers?

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