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Re: [RC] Let Play:"Stump the Vets!!" ;0) - Kathy Mayeda

Last year I moved to a stable where there the sanitary conditions aren't real great in the pasture. The barn manager had a stash of Naquazone or something like that in a little foil pouch that she got from the vet. My mare, who never sweled up before, swelled up twice at that pasture and a dose of Naquazone cured her the first time real quick. The second time was on the same leg that my mare had stitches on the month before so I called the vet on the weekend.... $700 later the swelling was down, and the vet said it wasn;t probably anything to do with the stitches. I bet the Naquazone would have knocked it down then too. I've sinced moved out of that hell hole and have not had any problems since.

Apparently this type of swelling is real common at this particular boarding facility for some wierd reason. The horse in a stall across from my other horse would get it every year. And he's not even in the crummy pasture and his owner is meticulous in stall cleaning. I've never seen this type of swelling before and have not seen it since I moved.... And I have no idea why except this was the only boarding facility I've boarded at that fed pretty much only grass hay. I dunno - I guess that's grasping at straws.

K,.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Sherrell" <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'L gin'" <ladurgin@xxxxxxx>
Cc: "Ridecamp (E-mail)" <Ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:14 AM
Subject: RE: [RC] Let Play:"Stump the Vets!!" ;0)


You might try a course of antibiotics -- grasping at straws.

You might try several days of anti-fungal shampoo -- more straws.

Perhaps rake up all leaves or any other dubious nibbleable items?

Examine hay very closely for fungus or mold? Is it dusty with wind-blown
dust? In Calif there are molds that live in the soil that can infect people
when the dust blows.

Examine belly swellings very closely -- maybe tiny bugs, maybe who knows
what? Push hair back so you can see skin, maybe use magnifying glass?

Seems to me like it could be an allergic reaction, so it would depend on the
individual equid's immune response, i.e. not all would be susceptible.
Analyze the environment very closely for insects whose life cycle this time
of year might include biting horseflesh, and also analyze for plants that
have some life cycle transition right now that might come into contact with
the inside or outside of the horse and cause immune response. Local ag
extension or university might make a brilliant connection for you.

Good thing you don't have anything better to do.

Regards,

Mike Sherrell
www.postindustrialhorsemanship.com

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of L gin
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:46 AM
To: Ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [RC] Let Play:"Stump the Vets!!" ;0)



Ok-Direct me to any ideas, websites etc.--I am on the HUNT to figure this
out. Second time, year apart different animals. I care for these animals
at home for years on a daily basis. I read these guys well.
Crept out to the pasture (recovering from Staph and cold) with my
Hunter Insturctor/ trainer daughter who was visiting Labor day. --- My mare
was stocked up in back legs, and had 2 swellings about 4" wide by 8-12" on
her belly in front of her udder. Her expression was one of "I don't feel
so good". She was walking in a sort of stilted manner.
I said " I thought she looked like she was walking funny , when I
looked outside yesterday!"
My daughter who has cared for a barn of horses , said" look, probably
from that fungus on her canon bones'. "Noooo, thats not fungus , that is
Warpaint". It has been dry as a bone here, only a few 5 minute showers and
they go stand in the barn if it rains.Plus , no one has gotten rain rot ,
since I started vitamins and Flax and BOSS.
I bathed her yesterday, hosed her legs and went over her real good.
Nothing else out of the ordinary.
I had noticed before I got sick about a week ago, that she had some
swelling/endema in front of her udder on two parallel lines forward on
her belly.Then I was sick in bed a week. Now it is worse including both
back legs. thermometer was broken, so didn't take temp. But she is EDPP ,
seem normal.
BINGO! this is following exactly what happened to my donkey last year!
Only he is a boy, duh.And His swelling included his sheath, which grew to
3 times normal size and the endema included his entire belly, which became a
thick mass about 4" thick.
Enviornment.- Only dirt turnout with a grass aobut 1.5 acre. There are
oak trees starting to drop a few leaves, which are dry , there is a poplar,
and pines. Everything is drought stressed. No nuts or fruit. They have a
grass hay roundbale, pretty good hay, dryed and put up right.
Insects in area. Very few now, it is so dry. I let out fly predators
monthly. I have fly traps. I sprinkle Fireant mounds as soon as I find
them. There are a few hornets /bees/ etc. Sometimes I see deer flys and
an occasional horse fly.But very few it has been so dry. Very few mysquitos
this year., I know , cause I attract them. I try to keep them comfortable.
Last year I called the local farm vet. He shrugged and said , maybe he
got kicked..Nobody kicks anyone. These guys have been together a long time
and though there is an occasional rare bite on the neck from playing by
the donkey and young horse and "if" someone comes near Rascals stall at
dinner time , they may get a "nip at..".
Donkey actually got worse from vets visit for another week , then it
gradually subsided. I treated with Bute. Feeding habits never changed.--I
didn't call the vet in again with him, cause he didn't seem interested in
figuring it out and just kind of brushed me off.
This seems to be following the same scenario.---WE do have roughly 8
dumptruck loads of chicken manure in front of our house dumped by the local
farmer who then spreads it on the fields .To get our horses it would have
to travel about 500 plus feet on the wind uphill and over the treeline.
This has been there for months and another neighbor is trying to get it
covered or something, but the ol'd guy doesn't care, ti is furtherst from
his house , even though there are 3 babies next door.
There are bats, crows, bluebirds, sparrows, finches, owls, vultures,
hawks int he area. Coyotes, loose dogs and cats, etc. Typical North Georgia
flora and Fauna.
And didn't someoneelses' mare have mysterious stocking up a couple
weeks ago? I tried to look her up in archives, but didn't find a date. I
have looked up in my vet books et.
BTW. This mare is a 12 yr old pasture potato. Just green broke , isn't
being ridden, has always been on turnout , Never lame or sick. Only one
choke , in 7 years. Does get a hay belly. Regular worming and shots.
Basic shots, EWT,WNile, Rabies. No physical contact with outside horses .
But there are horses , within a couple hundred feet. Electric rope fence.
Feet are a little chippy, were past due for filing. So I filed and checked
them yesterday.
I am stumped--- and am concerned-- as to what effects this can have.
Someone said last year about the donkeys , may be congestive heart failure.
But here I have another horse with same symptoms.... So far , this seems to
have started 7-10 days ago before I went out OOT , came back and was sick
inside , and non -horsey son was feeding and checking on them. So if this
follows the same scenario, she will stay the same or get worse another
week, then gradually clear up.
All I can think to do is give her some bute, may be hose , her. I will
talk to my neighbor, she does endurance and is a vet tech and see if she
has noticed anything with her 3 horses.
If it is insect stings, then I have 2 animals getting way overexposed
and reactive , which doesn't seem to likely. They all get Warpaint on them,
pretty regularly, and sometimes a mix of flick, citronella and
Pymethrins--not necessarily daily, but if bugs are bad. This is a very
even endema, so I rule out sankebites, or even insect bites. Seems more
systemic.....
Any ideas? Timiing seems to possibly be involved. Last year it was
roughly same time period , give or take a few weeks and someone else had
a horse she mentioned on here, a couple weeks ago, but think she was
further north. I am in the Tenn./Ga/Ala. corner. This started last week of
August.

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