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RE: [RC] Reality bites - Terry Banister" in REAL LIFE, there ARE situations where your version of euthanasia is not possible,"Well, since I don't recall giving any specific version (other than humane), I don't know what you are referring to "it may not long be viable to shoot them and leave them out, either. WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE WE DO THEN?" It is not up to me to propose anything, it is up to the people in your area who are regulating that kind of thing "USED to be a viable alternative to take horses to the local plants--no toxic chemicals, no suffering, no long trips, no batching, no waste, j ust a safe and humane end for the horse." No one on this list is criticizing that "I'm not sure where you get the idea that it is 'big business' to breed and 'dump' horses" That is because it is not what I said. I said big businesses (racetrack, show-barn and other large breeding organizations) are encouraged by the current system to dump horses this way because even though they are taking a big loss, they still get a few hundred dollars instead of having to pay hundreds of dollars. And besides, if the horses these big operations are dumping are not sick, old or crazy, they wouldn't find anyone else that would agree to kill them. So the foreigners that are capitalizing on all the cheap "horseflesh" that is available in this country are providing a market that is encouraging overbreeding and other practices to continue. And the foreigners don't care about how the animals are living while they are waiting to die. It is the current PROCESS of long strung-out abuse that is the issue on topic. No one is criticizing a humane, local, system for individual horses to be euthanized and disposed of individually when their time comes to die. The issue is also about killing healthy horses en mass for a foreign profit motive. > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:36:23 -0700 > From: heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: [RC] Reality bites > To: ebeyrider@xxxxxxxxxxx > CC: dotwgns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; dragnin100@xxxxxxxxx > > > Heidi, For some reason, you are taking the question personally and negatively, when in fact, it does not apply to you. > > No, Terry, I'm not taking this personally--I'm simply pointing out that in REAL LIFE, there ARE situations where your version of euthanasia is not possible, and where it may not long be viable to shoot them and leave them out, either. WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE WE DO THEN? It USED to be a viable alternative to take horses to the local plants--no toxic chemicals, no suffering, no long trips, no batching, no waste, just a safe and humane end for the horse. > > I'm not sure where you get the idea that it is "big business" to breed and "dump" horses--even when killer horses were going for $500 to $600 for big, mature horses, that didn't even pay for a year's feed! If a breeder sells a horse on the kill market, they take a HUGE loss. What I don't "get" is why it bothers you so much if somebody gets a paltry check for a horse on the kill market--they certainly aren't raising horses for the meat market, and when they could take the horse to a local plant, it was perfectly humane. Certainly it is a business to do the slaughtering and sell the meat--I don't expect ANYBODY to work for free, as they have to feed their families and pay their bills, too. While there is a market for horse meat, it is a somewhat limited one--so I doubt that it would ever be profitable to raise horses specifically for slaughter--they just aren't that efficient at feed conversion for growth, since they are more geared toward feed conversion for work. > > The "issue" here is that people have pushed and pushed their idealistic agenda TO THE DETRIMENT of the horse population. By first forcing the closing of local plants, the lobbyists on this issue forced the issues of batching and travel. By trying to close plants down altogether, they are now forcing horses out onto public lands where they do tremendous environmental damage and also do NOT die very pleasant deaths. The HORSE has been the loser in this entire charade that has been perpetrated for some sort of "feely-good" agenda. I've pointed out before that the horse does not care if the critters who eat him are human or scavengers. Likewise, the horse does not care if the human who eats him is rich or poor. What the horse cares about is suffering. By far the BEST way to put an end to unnecessary suffering would be to drop all of this nonsense about banning slaughter and to reopen local plants! > > Heidi New home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here.
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