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RE: [RC] Arabian bloodlines - heidi

Precisely.  To the show world, horses such as *Witez II are blasé.  But he was a good sire of solid athletes.  But then get into even more obscure Polish horses--like *Sulejman (actually a Polish-Crabbet cross, but his Polish sire was Fetysz--how many Polish breeders have heard of him?).  I'd take him in an endurance pedigree any day, too. 
 
I'm obviously more up to speed on CMK pedigrees, but who out there has heard of Ziyadi?  Gee, he's close-up behind both Bezatal and Kontiki.  Wanna talk athletes?  He was the stellar race horse of his day.  And yet his blood is nearly gone.  It isn't just coincidence that it popped back up onto the radar again via stallions like Las-Trad and Argonaut.  And Las-Trad's sisters Rad-Sor and Princess Sherod are popping up in successful endurance pedigrees as well.  And no coincidence that Ziyadi's dam Follyat is the granddam of such stallions as Aurab or Muhuli, both "over-represented" in pedigrees of successful endurance horses as well.  Sure, Abu Farwa has been a positive influence, but the reason I bred to a stallion like Argonaut was for the influence of Ziyadi, since I already had Abu Farwa running out my ears.  But try starting a thread on Ziyadi or Follyat, and see how far you get on a modern Arabian board.
 
Or how about the mare *Ferda?  She shows up in the tail female line of a disproportionate number of race and endurance winners, as do Davenport mares (such as *Urfah, tail female of Heraldic, whose successes have recently dominated the list, and old *Wadduda, the famous war mare).
 
These horses weren't lackluster--people simply are ignorant of who they were and what they have contributed.
 
Heidi  



Exactly! Just for example.
 
I know a good number of capable endurance horses and Tevis  horses throughout the years have had WitezII blood in them. Yet I went to look at stallion pedigrees on the Korona Polish breeders list, and I couldn't find one of the two dozen or more stallions listed there that had ANY WitezII in them. All were from the more modern show lines and most had very little old world Polish blood anywhere close in the pedigree.
 
On an Arabian board I frequent, mention WitezII and you get "huh," or no reponse.  But mention Monogramm and some of the other modern stallions and you get threads a mile long, sigh..
 
In fact,many of the people I talk to about bloodlines think WitezII and Witraz were the same horse.....I'm sure you'll find Witraz also in some endurance horses simply because his offspring Bask was so prolific.
 
chris

heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Unknown?  Sometimes.  Lackluster??  I've yet to look at the pedigree of a successful Arabian or part-Arabian endurance horse and not be able to identify ancestors that would have passed on those traits.  If I had the knowledge of other breeds that I do of Arabians, I'd wager that the same woudl be true. 
 
Some people CALL the good endurance lines "lackluster" simply because they aren't the lines being touted in the modern show ring.  That's just their ignorance speaking.
 
Heidi


 


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