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Re: [RC] [RC] Did I Understand You Correctly? - kit kat

I missed some of the conversation but saw this and decided to respond..

I think it is stupid to force and animal into an UNSAFE situation and they CAN and DO get bullied into them. But, horses do have a mind of there own and sometimes fell a situation is unsafe for them but we KNOW it is safe and thus we have the horse do it.

Take my horse for instance, shes 16.3hh, weights about 1200 lbs right now, yes shes a big girl and she has decided that rocks, large ones are going to kill her and eat her.. I now ride her with a whip. Is it acceptable for her to turn tail and run like the dickens like she wants. HELL no, its rude, disrespectful and down right dangerous for me as a rider and to other that are riding with me. Is it cruel(maybe to some it is) that I had to reinforce my legs with my whip(dont ride with spurs and never will) and bring her back to the present as her flight instincts kicked in. Not in my mind, because if I had let her do what she wanted, I could have been dumped, the friend riding me could have been hurt and she could have been hit by a car. Horse have a mind of there own, yes, but they are a flight animal, its instinct and we have to be herd leader and in a herd situation, I wanted her to go that way and I won. I didnt beat her, but she got a few smacks after my hands and legs were not doing the job.

Its all in the way its done and the situation... so I guess each person is right but I believe that if you are the herd leader and you ask a horse a safe question and its refused, it must be backed up by a stronger question that cannot be ignored, as they would do in the wild. Not doing so makes you below them.

Sarah and her rock eating chicken, Art

From: "indiancp" <indiancp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Trailrite@xxxxxxx>,<katswig@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,<ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [RC]   Did I Understand You Correctly?
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:09:39 -0400

ever seen a horse put into a trailer when he/she was either terrified of it or just determined that h*ll
no, i won't go"? how about one who refuses to cross a stream and the rider is wearing spurs and carrying a crop? some horses CAN be forced to do things they do not want to do. not a pretty picture and it's certainly not good horsemanship in mho but it happens! some horses will do things they don't want to simply because their rider wants them to and those are good horses but truely the best is when the rider and the horse both enjoy the job at hand.

patty in georgia

Man does not have the only memory,
The animals remember,
The earth remembers,
The stones remember,
If you know how to listen, they will tell you many things.

Claude Kuwanijuma - Hopi Spiritual leader.

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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Trailrite@xxxxxxx
  To: katswig@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [RC] Did I Understand You Correctly?


In a message dated 7/27/2006 11:39:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, katswig@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
p.s. I am still somewhat surprised (although I suppose I shouldn't be) by the number of people who are sufficiently conceited about their own power that they think horses have no say in what they do. Your horse is bigger, stronger, and faster than you are...he does exactly and only what he damned well pleases. Horses only comply with our own requests because they are good natured (granted, they have been genetically selected for this).
I'm not sure what your saying here. Your saying that horses have a choice to be ridden or not to be ridden by there size, strength & speed?

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