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RE: [RC] Scream Endurance - heidi

Think in terms of programs, not just names.  This isn't an all-comprehensive list, but consider CMK (which would cover all the names you mentioned with the exception of *Bask and would cover 3/4 of Bay-Abi, as well as the two names that Maria mentioned), Babson Egyptian, pre-WWII Polish (which would include the rest of Bay-Abi as well as *Witez II that Karen mentioned), Babson, Sa'ud (think Edie Booth's and Becky Huffman's horses), and some of the early AK horses.
 
*Bask is not a name that screams endurance--when looking at pedigrees, I would consider *Bask and a few of the imports from his generation to be neither contributory nor a detriment.  When you find "Bask in successful endurance pedigrees, he is inevitably accompanied by names/programs that "scream" much louder--and he is represented in successful horses far less than he is represented in the population at large.  (That's the standard most use when determining whether or not a horse is a positive factor--*Bask appears in approximately 90% of American pedigrees at this point, and is not present in the upper eschelons of endurance anywhere near that often.  He's just kind of there--like grits at a southern breakfast.)
 
A pedigree need not be entirely made up of names/programs that "scream" endurance--but without a goodly representation, the odds of success are not high.
 
FWIW, of the Arabs and part-Arabs whose pedigrees we can trace who have won Tevis or the Haggin Cup (and I include non-registered ones with well-documented pedigrees) there is not a single solitary one that isn't at least 25% CMK.  Roughly a third of them actually qualify as CMK--which only about 5% of the American horses do.  If you add in the other preservation entities mentioned above, the number is even more startling. 
 
When looking at other breeds as well, I suggest that people look for horses that represent the foundation of the breed, when the breed's primary purpose was usefulness under saddle--not for modern show stars.  I've a lot less experience with pedigrees of other breeds, but have noticed a preponderance of old lines in the horses that do well in the sport, be they TWHs, Morgans, QHs, or whatever.
 
Heidi


Hi Heidi,

Could you mention 4 or 5 names one might find in a pedigree that "scream
endurance"?  Would they include Skowronek, Fadjur (assuming the mare he was
bred to wasn't a disaster), Bay-Abi, Bask, Mirage, Naseem, Nureddin II,
Rustem, Bad Afas, Raseyn, Raffles, Astraled, Rjim, Hallany Mistanny, Rodan,
Gulastra, Berk?

Many thanks.
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