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RE: Re: [RC] [RC] unregistered pure-breds - heidi

Jessica, I've studied bloodlines in endurance horses for over 30 years, and I beg to differ.  While there are certainly exceptions, I've found bloodlines to be highly prognostic of expected performance--but I also find that many people are clueless as to what sorts of bloodlines tend to excel in the sport.  Unfortunately, to most people, the "names" in the pedigree are exactly that--they don't actually know the horses as individuals.  Horses (or any other critters, for that matter) are in a large part what they inherited from their ancestors--genetics account for roughly a third of the capability of the finished product.  (Environment is about a third as well and training/management/riding is the other third.)  So while genetics isn't everything, it makes up a significant part of the package.  Sometimes when you ignore genetics you still get lucky.  But the big mistake I see people make is to prognosticate based on the fame of the horses in the pedigree (NOT a very good indicator) instead of on knowledge of what those horses might actually contribute to a prospect.
 
Tell us more--what bloodlines did Rikki Tikki have that you claim would not be considered for endurance?  I looked him up on DataSource, and he is listed, but with "data unavailable." 
 
I sponsored a junior rider last year on a 25-year-old half-Arab mare.  When we started the year, we didn't know her breeding--but were able to find it out as the season went on.  She was fantastic--and a preponderance of her Arab heritage absolutely screams "endurance" if you know endurance pedigrees.  No surprises there.  And I am rarely surprised by pedigrees of top endurance horses.  There are many good sources of endurance breeding--no one "faction" has a lock on that.  But indeed, those sources tend to be pretty consistent, and the majority of top endurance horses descend at least in large part from one or more of those sources.  Even your unregistered horses got their abilities from somewhere...
 
Heidi
 

 


It seems to me that too many people rely on "bloodlines" as being a good
determination of endurance performance.  My dad had a registered 1/2 arab
who was 7/8 arab, 1/8 welsh pony and 15.2 h.  If you just looked at his
bloodlines you would never even consider him for endurance, but 2200
endurance miles later and a National 5th place middle-weight finish
obviously proved that bloodlines are not the biggest determining factor.  
For those who like to look at performance his name is Rikki Tikki and was
ridden by Richard Cameron.

My horse is unregistered, at least to my knowledge, I bought him from an
unexperienced horse person who really didn't know what he had and/or didn't
know what to do with him.  I could care less what his bloodlines were, he's
15.2, has tremendous bone (8 3/4 cannon's) great feet, and absolutley loves
to go down the trail.  I don't think it's really appropriate to encourage
newbies to rely so heavily on bloodlines for determining if a horse is going
to be good at endurance.  IMO, have an experienced endurance individual that
you trust go with you when you look at a prospect.  If your looking for
papers, than by all means go for it, but if you are looking for a partner
who will carry you down the trail and you will bond and grow with, don't let
the fact that he or she doesn't have papers, keep you from making the
decision.

Jessica Cameron and the boys, both unregistered pure-bred Arabians who have
competed successfully at endurance (Cyclone and Cysco Kid)

>From: "Barbara McCrary" <bigcreekranch@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: "Laney Humphrey" <laneyhh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>CC: <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: [RC]   unregistered pure-breds
>Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:03:52 -0700
>
>Papers on a gelding also represent his bloodlines, which may indicate
>whether he will be good, or great, at endurance.
>
>Barbara
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Laney Humphrey" <laneyhh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Cc: <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [RC] unregistered pure-breds
>
>
>>It's true a gelding can't breed on, but I think that registering a gelding
>>is proof that the horse is cared for, respected and honored. Think of all
>>the arabian geldings that have done well in endurance.  If they are
>>registered, their achievements can contribute to the breed history and
>>speak to the quality of their bloodlines and to the expertise of their
>>breeders.
>>Laney
>>Truman Prevatt wrote:
>>>
>>>Amen to that and the AHA is an a guilty party in this who sorted mess.
>>>With the current process of DNA testing anyone that buys an Arabian and
>>>can prove it by DNA should be able to register it independent if they
>>>"bought the papers" or not.
>>>
>>>Of course for a gelding I could never figure out why anyone cared.
>>>
>>>Truman
>>>
>>>Laney Humphrey wrote:
>>>
>>>>   Selling a horse without them is a kind of blackmail in my opinion and
>>>>the one who suffers is the horse because it cannot be sold for it's true
>>>>value.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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