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Re: [RC] Define "Collection" - k s swigart

From: <gingerodgers@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
When training a horse to collect, my opinion is that
you should always start with the walk.

While you might be of this opinion, you would be virtually alone in
holding it :) among anybody who does dressage (and consequently means
the same thing by collection that I do).  It is worthwhile to note that
while the collected trot and canter are first asked for in Second Level
dressage, the collected walk is not asked for until Fourth Level.
Mostly because it is pretty much agreed by everybody that the best way
to ruin a horse's walk is to ask for collection before the horse is
capable of it (and a horse is capable of collected trot and canter long
before it is capable of a collected walk).  And it is also widely
accepted that after you have ruined a horse's walk, it is EXTREMELY
difficult to un-ruin it.

That is the most
difficult place to start but it's also the best place to start.

You are also probably totally alone in holding this opinion as well.:)
I don't know of ANYBODY who doesn't advocate training a horse by going
from easier to harder.

...  The other parts of collection comes from the horse's
headset and your body movements.  If you have your
horse's head properly placed and he is giving to the bit
then his back will straighten, hopefully, and you will feel
him, even at a walk, impulsing from the rear instead of
pulling from the front.

And this, too, while not an uncommon opinion held by many a "dressage"
rider, is, IMO, also completely backwards. If you have the horse working
from the hindquarters and his back straight, then his head will come to
the right place all on its own.  In fact, you don't have to "set" a
horse's head at all, and attempting to do so almost invariably leads to
horses that are overbent :).  Which is another problem that is extremely
difficult to undo (since you can't push on the reins).

All that said, collection (if we use my definition of it) is of little
use in an endurance horse.  The place where it is most useful is when
trotting down hill (or cantering downhill, for people who do that), but
even then, it is not really "collected" unless the hill is super steep.

I can think of but one situation where I would use the collected walk in
an endurance horse and that is walking down a VERY steep hill, but
unless the hill is really steep, a regular working walk (if one is going
to walk the horse down it) or even a "free walk" is probably a better
choice.

If, on the other hand, when people talk about "collecting" their horse,
they really mean that the horse is on the bit, then it is good to know
that we aren't all using the same word to mean the same thing.

kat
Orange County, Calif.

p.s.  All this doesn't mean that I don't TEACH collection to all my
horses, since collection is a great muscle building exercise (which is
why it isn't very useful at an endurance ride, because collection is far
too much work to be sustained for extended periods of time, and by
definition it means less forward motion for that more work :)).

I recommend that everyone take just one dressage
lesson to understand the difficulty and importance
of collection in a horse.

I recommend that if anybody is interested in understanding the
difficulty and importance of collection in a horse that they take much
more than one dressage lesson, since no dressage instructor worth
his/her salt would ever teach anything about collection in the first
lesson :).  In fact, a good dressage instructor won't be teaching you
anything about "on the bit" in the first lesson either.  One of the
first things that many dressage instructors do is to take away your
reins (and your stirrups :)) so you can develop your seat, which is
where true collection comes from; and it is also where all good riding
comes from, even if you never do ask your horse for collection.

kat
Orange County, Calif.





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