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Re: [RC] training to cross water; Now Won't Be Shod - Jody Rogers-Buttram

Hi all,
  I have been shoeing for going on 20 years now.  I have yet to find a horse that I can't put shoes on, and I do this WITHOUT hitting or abusing the horse.  There are methods out there
that will allow the horse to "learn" what he is suppose to do, and they won't cause him brain damage.  I learned these at shoeing school.   I recently bought a 7 yr. old stallion (very much a gelding now) that as far as I could tell had never even had his feet picked up.  I shod him by myself with no help, he did however require some "training".  Since I am a farrier, I have a no tolerance for bad shoing manners at the house.  This guy had to be hobbled, and taught that I could put him where I needed him, such as picking up and holding the feet.  The second time I shod him, he only tested me once, I then hobbled him, put him on the ground again, and then let him up/out of the hobble, and he stood still.  3rd and 4th times shoeing, he stands like a dream.....never moves an inch.  Not once did I hit him, beat on him with anything, twist his nose or drug him.  But he did have to learn that he may be stronger than me, but I have a brain that can out think him, by using a tool to give me the advantage.  Horses hate to be placed on the ground, by hobbling and putting them there, it makes their natural instinct of flight have to dissengage.  They learn that yes, you can do what you need to do to them, no matter how strong they are.  It is the same concept as "sacking a horse out".   Now, I know that some of the people on here will most likely jump on this as "dominating the horse".  And that training thru treats, patience, reasurance, and "asking" the horse to do something.  Fine, I don't really care, most people don't have  the time to go thru weeks of begging just to get the horse to stand still for shoes.  Kathy, if you really like your farrier and want to keep them coming to your barn on time, not putting you off because of one nasty horse, etc.  You are going to need to solve this one.  This is JMO, and if you use it, good, if not, good there too.  Good luck.
 
Jody and the girls


----- Original Message -----
From: "GarnerT"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 7:15 PM
Subject: [RC] training to cross water & other obstacles


>I train the lazy way. I have several friends with experienced endurance
> horses. When I first purchased my horse, Taz, he was very green. I
> simply
> rode with my buddies & he followed their horses and did what they did.
> Now
> he's great.
>
> Now if only that strategy would work with my mare who will NOT let the
> horse
> shoer put shoes on her. She is fine with trimming, he has never hurt her,
> she's had a lot of ground training; but she WILL NOT LET HIM SHOE HER.
> Switching shoers is not an option; he is an excellent horse shoer. If I
> can't get this problem taken care of, I may have to sell her.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Kathy Garner
> garnert@xxxxxxx
>
>
>
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