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Subject: Re: [RC] Bitless, sidepull, hackmore... - Lisa

Hi Mary,

I strongly second Chris Paus' feedback.

I have a high-strung Thoroughbred mare who is now so much less
high-strung since I've learned several lessons.  One, putting her into
sports we both truly enjoy (endurance, dressage, jumping, trail) vs.
ones I wanted to do and were a struggle for her (CTR, team penning) and
two, learning what works for her diet-wise (she's a very hard keeper)
without making her hot.  Three, I needed and still need dressage lessons
to improve my hands and body language in order to properly communicate
with her -- That is, not make her anxious!  I was blown away how much I
was/am doing with hands and body to make her stressed out; I'm a bit
high-strung myself.

I've tried a couple of the 'stress-be-gone' supplements, and since they
didn't work I stopped trying.

So, still learning and improving with this mare, and we've been together
five years.  Wouldn't trade her for anything, we just have a blast.
Good luck!

Lisa Douglass
Moss Rock Endurance
US Distributor, Free 'n' Easy Saddles
Dealer, Specialized Saddles
www.mossrockendurance.com
(719)439-2472

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From: Chris Paus <paus@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [RC] Bitless, sidepull, hackmore...
My take would be to take a deep breath, relax and just spend some
bonding time with your horse. i think maybe you are trying too many
approaches to this. Maybe the answer is to step back and let the horse
tell you what she needs.
My first endurance gelding was high headed, flighty, nervous, totally
unable to relax. One day I realized a good part of his problem was ME. I
THOUGHT I was relaxed, but really I wasn't. I THOUGHT I was a good
rider, but I sure needed improvement.
I read horse training books, sought the advice of respected round pen
trainers, tried a myriad of bits and other contraptions.
What finally brought us together in much more harmony was to take six
months off from competition to take classical dressage lessons. The
instructor worked with Star on the ground and he worked with me on his
own horse. I went back to square one. He took away my reins and worked
the horse on the lunge line. I had NO idea how much I was balancing
myself on poor Star's mouth until he took my reins away! No wonder he
was resistant. When I got a more independent seat and used my hands more
effectively, Star was a different horse! He's still more nervous than my
other horses, but, he is light years better than he was when I first got
him.
I've also come to accept that some of Star's actions are him. He's the
alpha horse. He's always on the lookout for boogers and monsters. The
other horses can relax because Star is the sentinal. He is what my
easterner friend calls a "keen" horse. He's extremely aware of
everything. I've just had to accept that and work with his talents the
way he is. After 8 years, we've become a pretty good team, although we
still have what I call "Star" moments.
As for calming agents, I've tried them and have been totally
unimpressed. I think it would have been better to give them to me than
the horse, LOL. I've tried them all.
Oh, this brings up another point...what are you feeding her? Feeds can
add a lot of "fizz" to the horse.
I think your mare has some special gifts to give you. You'll discover
these in time. Good luck.. 
Chris
I am not afraid of storms, for I am learning how to sail my ship. Louisa
May Alcott
Chris Paus
BayRab Acres http://pages.prodigy.net/paus
Lake Region SWA http://lakeregionswa.fws1.com

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mjwest02@xxxxxxx wrote:
I just wanted to THANK YOU ALL for your suggestions to my question about
bitless vs. sidepull. 
In this search I have realized that I have to go back yet another step
to find out WHY my mare is so anxious and how to get her to RELAX. It
will be better for both of us once we "peel the onion" back further.
Getting to the root of the cause will usually cure all the other issues,
however, it is thinking outside the box at this point as to what else
may be the PROBLEM. Teeth, Chiro and Massages have been done/given -
and with each of these I see a small improvement. 
I don't believe in "drugs" to cure a problem, but was now wondering
about the herbal calming products out there. I don't want them forever,
but if I could get her to relax and stretch and feel better, I am hoping
she will learn to do this on her own. 
Has anyone tried these with any success? She is STUCK between "mind
and body" - since we have done everything physical to get her to relax,
we are now thinking it is a "past training" issue that has her fearful,
anxious and tense. 
We have: bonded, joined-up, play the 7 parelli games on line and at
liberty, practice the lateral flex - on ground and on back. For those of
you familiar with Pat Parelli and his Levels, the only thing that stops
US from passing Level I is the last part of trotting consistently for 20
minutes - on the rail. She wants to speed up or slow down and
will come off the rail at any given moment. I have ridden her in a
"cherokee" bridle and the carrot stick in an arena - so her willingness
is there - no bucking, biting or kicking vices whatsoever. 
Do I resort to an "animal communicator" to give me the answers I can't
find??
Thanks for all your support and suggestions - and if you want to tell me
I am crazy for thinking about an animal communicator, please do so
privately!! LOL. 
Mary 


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