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Re: [RC] [RC] Horse bonding and bad manners - Bonnie Davis

For pawing.....

1) Try hobbling front feet only.  A horse will soon figure out they can't
paw because of the hobbles.  Once they stop.  Just put a couple straps
around ankles.  Some horses think they have hobbles on and don't paw even
though they are not hobbled.  For those that figure out they just have
straps on and return to pawing.....

2)  Try 'kick chains'.  A strap around the ankle with about 12 inches of
light chain attached.  When the horse paws (or kicks) the chain snaps the
horse's leg.  He does it to himself.  Soon understands that pawing (or
kicking) can hurt.

Not everyone will like that idea -- I know.

But have a friend who's horse could kick out barn wall faster than they
could be repaired or paw a hole big enough for the trailer to fall into --
so we put kick chains on the mare.  After about three hours of kicking and
scaring herself with that constand snap on the leg -- she realized that
kicking hurt.  No one yelling at her.  She just stopped.  On the front legs,
she quiet pawing too but then got to sniffing the chain and if it was there,
wouldn't paw.  Take 'em off and she'd paw.  Whenever tried to the trailer,
she wears kick chains.  You want to talk about conversation starters.....

Also, some horses will paw when tied to one side of the trailer and won't
paw when tied to the other side of the trailer.

Bonnie Davis

----- Original Message -----
From: "Deanna German" <finishis2win@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <cditomas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Ridecamp" <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 2:05 PM
Subject: [RC] [RC] Horse bonding and bad manners

Anything like Quietex or Rescue Remedy is banned under AERC's "no drug"

I have a mare who will bond to other horses at a ride. I finally figured
that the horses she bonded to were all geldings. I've noticed that I don't
have this problem if I keep company with other mare owners and if I pair
with someone on trail, I try to make sure they are riding a mare. If I
with a gelding or if we end up leapfrogging the same gelding again and
again, she'll get bonded. The worst bonding situation happens if I camp
a friend with a gelding. If that happens, tying her so she can't touch him
is a big help.

However, this is not a good nor is it a permanant solution. To that end, I
practice at home, riding with her favorite gelding, purposely turning her
directions opposite from him, letting him run on ahead (attempting to make
her maintain her gait and speed, HA! I can only imagine the heart rate
I don't use a monitor -- much like the "spook aerobics" she does) or
her leave him. From the time she was a two year old, I'd tie her away from
the herd and let her be frantic.

Early on, I took her camping with her favorite gelding and he left her
to the trailer for the trail. (It's truly amazing how much they can move
the end of a lead rope.) She still gets pretty wound up if her buddy
her or I ask her to leave her buddy, but she's manageable and not a danger
to herself or others. She knows the progression from voice reprimand to
chain across the nose and I've been consistent throughout her life. Now,
and I agree that she can rev all she wants unless I'm attached to either
reins or a lead rope. Which means she can rev when she's tied to something
immoveable. And not if I come up and put a hand on her (I just lay a hand
her withers or her neck, but I don't vocally reassure her! No praise for
being bad) which is the same as asking her to "stand" in my book.

This mare also has a tendency to rear, and thus the chain over the nose
instead of under the chin. She's never reared at an event. (Some "near
rears" with me in the saddle, particlalrly at the start, but nothing
dangerous to me or bystanders.)

Look at the positive -- bonding can be a help! >g< It messes up a CRI and
pulses, but it can also make the trot out look more lively if the buddy is
walking away at the same time the horse is being trotted! There was one
I did that I couldn't dismount at the sponging tubs until my friend
my mare's camping buddy over (he had gotten pulled at the halfway). That
only her third ride. Now that I've recognized the gender issue, I've been
able to manage her better. I think time and practice has helped her settle
into the ride routine. Having my own truck and trailer so I can camp by
myself has helped. Learning who else rides mares has helped! Hating to
a buddy bonded horse has helped because it's made me determined to modify
this behavior.

Just keep at it, be consistent with corrections, devise ways to train for
this at home and maybe decide on a compromise solution with your horse
doesn't present a danger to anyone.

Good luck!

If anyone has a solution for pawing that works, I'm all eyes! I hate it,
haven't found a way to extinguish that one.



Can anyone give me some advice as to how to manage a horse that has bonded
with the horse that it came with?  The vet checks are a real problem
because my mare doesn't want to stand still unless her horsey friend is
standing right next to her.  I have tried a stud shank (she has reared up)
and a lesson in good manners with my trainer prior to attending the event.
 Does anyone use a product like Quietex or Rescue Remedy to calm their

Thanks for any help that you can give me.  Chris D.

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[RC] [RC] Horse bonding and bad manners, Deanna German