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Re: [RC] To breed or not to breed - sharp pennyOh boy, I'm kinda sorry I started this but feel I need to defend myself..... --- Heidi Smith wrote: If anything, the "big name" show horse stallions have MORE foals in the kill pen so to speak than others, simply because they ARE in vogue, and more people breed to them, Guess this is different in Arabs than Paints. I am only stating MY experience with 20+ years of showing,breeding, buying and selling Paint pleasure horses. I have yet to see an own son or daughter of Zippo Pine Bar, Scotch Bar Time, The Investor or any other of the modern day cornerstone pleasure horse sires in the killer pen..or even the top sons of these studs that are carring on "the family name". I have seen average horses by these studs sell at sales for more than they should have simply because of the name. making far more of their foals available. Furthermore, even though the ridden show disciplines may change fads more slowly than the halter ring, they DO nonetheless change fads with regularity. again not so in Paints and QTR's, for example, the Zippo Pine Bar horses are still as much in demand today as they were 15 years ago. Sure we have refined the concept of how a pleasure horse should move. We have learned to breed for pleasure and not try to force a horse that physically can't hold a collected frame going down the rail with no contact. But this is a whole nother topic, none of which pertains to endurance <grin> So indeed, the stallion that is producing the "champions" of today is often out of style next year. Again not true in Paints...there are many pleasure horse stallions that have stood the test of time. And in some cases where the original stud has died, his sons are carrying on the name. If anything that "name" gets stronger as the years go on. This can be said for reining and cutting as well. Especially if one is breeding to suit one's self, it pays to seek out the "generalist" horses rather than the "popular" horses, as the former will have a value for a long time, Many "popular" paint pleasure horse studs are putting horses that can cross over into other disiplines very successfully depending on the bloodlines of the mare. Giving more creedence to what we both agree on, which is mare power. I have always said if you want to excell in a given equine dicipline get a horse that has been specifically bred to to that. If you want to dabble in everything then yes, "generalist" horses are your "jack of all trades, master of none". The "specilist" can generalize (in my experience) but I have yet to see the "generalist" be able to excell in anything, they are always middle of the road horses. People don't pay top dollar for "generalists". Personally I think if you are breeding "generalist" horses than you better be breeding them for you and not to sell. As you stated you can buy generalist horses in the killer pen for alot less than it cost to put one on the ground. Again I SPEAK FROM MY EXPERIENCE WITH PAINTS but I suspect people from other breeds may agree: 90% of your top horses in a given sport have been specifically bred for that event. Soooo back to my original post of breed to a stud proven in the event you plan to use the resulting product of. JMHO whereas while the latter may have a higher dollar value right now, they will be much harder to place 5 or 10 years down the road. Ahhhh...here in lies my orginal point, if you are breeding horses to sell and want to stay in the black, it's easier and more profitable to sell the babies out of a proven or "popular" stud in that particular discipline. (When did we switch from selling babies to selling aged horses???) I think where we are crossing hairs is with the term "in vogue",(which I regret ever having used..lol). This obviously means different things in different breeds. As I stated before, I speak only for the breed I know, paints. The "in vogue" paint studs I know, have stood the test of time by putting a high percentage of horses on the ground that are pretty uniform in the traits that consistantly puts them in the winners circle for that event(s). From what you are telling me, in Arabs the "in vogue" studs are "flash in the pans" that are being over bred to substandard mares, putting a vast array of babies on the ground, who just happen to be winning because of the studs name or should I say the money behind the studs name. I wouldn't know, I don't breed, raise or sell Arabs. I do however successfully raise, train and sell paints and was only offering advise from what I have personally experienced. Maybe I was out of line even posting publicly since most of the people on RC have Arabs. Regards, Penny __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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