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Re: [RC] [RC] Rascal and the Hackamore - Bonnie DavisOne of the horse's I owned years ago went in a mechanical hackamore. It looked like bit without a mouth piece. It had a stiff 1/2 inch leather nose band that sat about an inch above the nose (it should not be so low as to cut the horse's wind off) with shanks on both sides. Shanks were about 4 inches long. Had a curb chain that went under the jaw. It worked on leverage -- the pull on reins to shanks draws nose band down and curb chain up. Works on the nerves under jaw and around nose. Flint liked it and rode him everywhere. Be careful though, if not fitted correctly they can be pretty harsh. Flint had one because a traditional hackamore (with bosel) like I use on Sig now just wasn't enough for Flint. Somewhere in Flint's life before I got him he had bar damage so bits with mouthpieces were out. Biggest problem I had was he wanted to graze with it and he wasn't allowed to -- took a few sharp jerks to get him to realize there was no grazing when wearing the mechanical hackamore. Don't see 'em very often now but they were quite popular in the 60's -- 1960's. Bonnie Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie Durgin" <ladurgin@xxxxxxx> To: <milamj@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <Ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [RC] [RC] Rascal and the Hackamore Noseband 1.5 inches above the corners of his mouth? (Jumping hack. so it has these flat plates like shanks , and a leather fleece lined noseband. Shanks parralell his mouth and end about where his mouth does(so when he grazed with it, they almost or barely touched the ground). I put the noseband where you'd normally put a noseband, and the chin strap in his groove.(like I would for a pelham). Never actually seen one in a picture . May have to peruse ridecamp pictures for a "hack" picture. . . . .From: Jerry & Susan Milam <milamj@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: Laurie Durgin <ladurgin@xxxxxxx> Subject: RE: [RC] Rascal and the Hackamore Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 23:10:56 -0600 You want that noseband so it sits about 1.5" from the corner of his mouth. Does that make sence? Susan-----Original Message----- From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Laurie Durgin Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 9:39 PM To: Ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [RC] Rascal and the Hackamore Well we did about 45 min. in ring today(will he stop,or buck with this thing?) was playing in my mind. First off I had to find somethingto put it on. His biothane wouldn't work , I'd have to take noseband off(or have 2), and take his bit off the keepers that snap off(very time consuming). His English leather bridle wouldn't work.Ah , but I use a western headstall on Honey that adjust to fit most horses.So I took her bit off and put the hack on, where I thought it should go and put it on him. ROTFL. The 'hack' came down to his lips,and the noseband was about at his nostrils.So I tookthestraps all the way up,to where it looked like maybe it should go.(course the bottom edges of the hack go to the bottom of his lips. hhhmmmm."Well the noseband looks like it is in the right place, at least it covers up the Roman bump there and the fleece nicely disguishes it. They may thinkthat actually those cheek pieces act like large flat full snaffle pieces and he is used to that.") I mount(lets try the right side today).I drop reins and go into my JL give to the ???"hack" technique. (well, it works, heck he's a horse, maybe he doesn't know or care). Then we do some walk, stop.Hey it works, better than yesterday maybe. Then I test with walk, trot, transitions, and a few, ho's. He did much better than yesterday(rubber snaffle then, still got the tooth thing to deal with ,till vet comes out).Even cantered some.(he was lazy, still doesn't like to canter in ring much.Didn't have to use "alot of weight to make him stop, though I gave light pressure only increasing if he didn't listen.But it took less "pressure" than the snaffle did yesterday. Will take some more days in the ring, before I try it on the trail.(told my husband and sons, "if youseehim galloping home and me screaming "ho,ho,HO ALPO!!!!!" you'll know it
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