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    Re: [RC] AERC and LD - Howard Bramhall


    Don't let any of them get to you, Laurie.  I think it would be really cool if the LDers just went on strike, for a month, like the baseball players are thinking of doing, to show everyone how much we really do need them (the LDers, not the baseball players).  The price for these rides has already gone up drastically lately; without the LDers the 50 milers and 100 milers would pay double what they are paying now.  Maybe even more.
     
    When I ride an LD and pay ten or twenty dollars less than what a 50 miler pays, I know I'm paying more per mile than any of the longer distance riders to do my ride.  I don't complain or gripe about it, but I'll be damned if I'll let someone treat me like a second class citizen because my horse has a letter, instead of a number, on his butt.  And when I do 50's, or make the attempt, I would never ever think of passing a 25 miler in line for a vet check.  I got plenty of time and I bought along some hay so my horse will eat while we are in line.
     
    I spent 20 years working with some Air Force fighter pilots who truly did believe they could walk on water (oh geezzz, here he goes with that walking on water thing again), but, the arrogance of some endurance riders who think the LDers should leave and form another club away from AERC outdoes those fighter pilots.  The ironic thing is in ten or twenty years, when these folks are old and gray, there is a darn good chance they'll be riding the 25 miler themselves.  I wonder what they'll think of those who suggest they split off and form another group when that time comes.  I'll bet it ticks them off.
     
    cya,
    Howard (I don't think my AC is working right today; I feel like I'm takin a steam bath down here.  Guess I'll go down to Wal-Mart and hang out with their AC and see what the wimmen are wearing today in this kind of weather.  God Bless America, and Wal-Mart too. Too bad I can't take my horse with me, wimmen love horses.)
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Laurie Durgin
    Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 10:59 PM
    To: Howard Bramhall; Dot Wiggins
    Cc: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: Re: [RC] AERC and LD
     
    I knew it was Howard in the first sentence!:}  As A newbie I try not to let this all get to me. Frankly I find 25 miles a big step. It would be a harder psychlogical jump to start at 50, and more danger of me doing something stupid to hurt my horse or self.  THANKS to all who don't mind us and actually want to help us, and I''ll try to stay out of the way of those to whom we are nusiances(sp?). I will try to 'earn' my rights to endurance, just don't hide the trail from me. . . Laurie and Rascal
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Howard Bramhall
    Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 8:23 PM
    To: Dot Wiggins
    Cc: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: Re: [RC] AERC and LD
     
    Beautifully written!  I think the only ones who should split off into a separate organization are the ones who came up with this idea in the first place.  They could call themselves the "Egos as Big as Our Butts ASSociation".  haha.  Sorry, if that offended you, I can't help myself sometimes.
     
    Ignore them, they will go away.  Only idiots and morons would want AERC to become less in membership numbers.  There is strength in numbers, and being a horse owner, which is a minority club, we need all the numbers we can get.
     
    cya,
    Howard (oh man, I hope I don't regret forwarding this one to Ridecamp)
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Dot Wiggins
    Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:13 PM
    To: ridecamp
    Subject: [RC] AERC and LD
     
    I see some talk of a separate organization for LD riders.
     
    This makes no sense to me.  In the first place, as an equestrian group we are pretty small at best, and don't have much clout.    If we split off part of our members we lose some of our influence for trails, legislation, etc.  Those of us who ride both endurance and LD would have to join both?   Forget it.
     
    Awards?  AERC has a huge slate, both regionally and nationally,  for endurance.     LD riders have lifetime miles recorded, and LD horses have miles recorded now.   That's all many of the endurance horses and riders ever get.    Maybe there should be some agreements between regions for LD  BC, or keep this award in regions only.   Maybe more recognition for number of completions, etc., in each region.    How does this take anything from the other distances?  
     
     Everyone needs to do what fits for each rider, each horse, each ride,  enjoy it,  take pride in the accomplishment.
     
    Lets not forget the changes that have happened since AERC began.
     
    "In the good old days" almost everyone who did endurance was an experienced horseman (universal term, girls, don't get excited).  Almost all of the horses were already mature, hard working critters.  They usually grew up and lived in pastures, often really big pastures.  Both riders and horses were no strangers to long days and many miles.
     
    Today many riders live in or near populated areas.  Many are new to horses in general, not mind endurance.  They have to start somewhere.
    Lots of horses are born and raised in confined places, and don't grow up with the skills to handle rough going. 
    There needs to be a way to get out in the world of trails for both.
    Even many folks that have all the knowledge live far from places to train and condition horses.  They have jobs an families that must come first,  and not the time to condition.    There are many reasons to ride the shorter distances. Don't knock it, just go ride.
     
    If AERC as an organization, and endurance  as a sport for many to enjoy, is to grow, we must make it practical for all to take part.
    LD rides fit perfectly.  Even the shorter "introductory trail rides" that are being included in some areas are a big help to new riders and horses. 
    Many rides could not exist without the added income from the LDs and trail rides.  
     
    As far as "racing" the LDs goes, I have known quite a few folks to finish fast and get BC too,  including high vet score, at a number of rides thru quite a few years with the same horses.  Don't think they are hurting the horses any.   
    Up the starting age from 4 to 5??    With nowhere to take the youngsters many will just wait another year to get ridden and go to rides no better off then some are now. 
     
    Let's not even think about another organization.  AERC can fit in all of us.  
     
    Keep on riding!!!!!!!!!


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