Ok, I
suppose I can buy that. I'm trying to weigh this issue from both the 'should'
and the 'must' perspectives. I think this is one of those areas that AERC has
not clearly defined - partly becuase until recently nobody has cared about pulls
(didn't use to be listed), only points and completions. AERC has many rules
governing situations that seem 'obvious' to us, but evolved because a situation
was protested or abused in the eyes of someone and needed to be clarified or
specified.
So -
once the clock starts, everybody who has entered the ride must be reported to
AERC - one way or another. I suppose this is pretty obvious from a
'customary and accepted use and practice' standpoint. Plus Bob said it could be
protested... that's the final word.
Steph
How about customary and accepted use and practice,
and the fact that there is a fee for every starter to be paid to the AERC. And
as you said it is "standard" which implies it is customary and accepted use
and practice. The AERC has no obligation to define every word of common use in
its rules in order to make use of that word or concept. Bill Clintion when he
was president of the US tried to use this argument and he is disbarred
from the practice of law be cause of it. says Truman: Using your logic and drawing from this particular incident
where the
party was seen about five miles into the ride then every RM in the
country could just set up a point 5 miles down the trail and let all
those that for whatever reason didn't want to go on pull from the ride
without any record. If 5 is okay, then why is 10 or 15 or 20? Are you
telling me you think this is in the letter and/or sprit of the AERC rules?
No, I think it is a pretty standard procedure to count anybody that begins
the physical course as a 'starter'. But in order to file a protest or
grievance, you need something more concrete than 'but this isn't the way
it's supposed to be done. '
I'm probably getting myself into deep trouble here ... and I am NOT
promoting the deletion of 'sort of starters' from the official start list.
But I don't see any rules being broken. Just protocol, and maybe a 'by
default' policy. I don't see that there is anything concrete to be
protested.
Steph
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