Re: Chiropractors

[Tivers@aol.com]

In a message dated 9/11/00 9:32:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
kathy_mayeda@atce.com writes:

<< Okay, this is where you and I will always disagree!  I won't even
 pretend to be able to change your mind, but I want to relay my
 own personal experiences with chiropractors, both human and equine.
 
 I went to an orthopedic surgeon when a dislocated my "rude finger".
 Okay, I spend most of my day at the keyboard, and am kind of dependent
 on my finger working.  But the orthopedic surgeon essentially told
 me that my finger will always be deformed and have limited range of
 motion.>

A stupid orthopedic surgeon--always get a second opinion. The best docs for 
this kind of thing are the sportsmedicine specialists.

>  I went to my chiropractor for another issue, and relayed
 what the orthopedic surgeon told me.  She said "B---- S----", and
 proceeded to work on it via manipulation and ultrasound, told me
 to take some of the same supplements you recommend, and got
 some physical therapy. >

Whoops, sound like a 3-point attack here--physical therapy from the quack or 
from a physical therapist? Did the manipulation that the chiro applied heal 
you? Or did you just select the chiro's magic as the healing technique out of 
the blue? Say, for purposes of argument.


 >I now have full range of motion
 in that finger with no deformity. No thanks to the orthopedic surgeon,
 who is affiliated with Stanford University.>

If you'd gone to Brother Leroy of the Church of What's Happenin' Now in 
Delaware, Ohio, he'd have cured you on the spot--no need for the physical 
therapy and nutrition. 
 
> I can flip you off with finesse now!>

Yeah, I'm flipped!
 
 >If I DON'T get an chiropractic adjustment, my pelvis gets
 out of whack and I'm in pain.>

I had a friend in similar condition--from a car wreck. He was a true believer 
in chiropractic and visited regularly to have his back bone crunched. 
Eventually, he was in such pain that he was paralized until a SURGEON fused 
his backbone. Doesn't walk real well now, but he can walk.

 > My sciolosis gets more pronounced
 and I get to be a real crooked rider.  If I am good and
 go see my chiropracter when I feel slightly tweeked, my back
 doesn't go into spasm like it did last time!  I KNEW my hip
 was tweeked before I rode the Fireworks 50 but didn't get adjusted.
 Didn't get adjusted before crewing the Swanton 100 either and the
 following day, I had a terrible time getting out of bed.>

"Tweaked?" You're spouting nonsense now. Precisely what do you think this 
quack is doing for you? Certainly not healing anything, eh? But he's sure got 
you coming back for more. Nice hustle. 
 
> I went to the
 doctor.  He didn't do anything because I had already told him
 I made an appointment with my chiropractor.  His comment was,
 "You'll be treated if you go to your chiropractor.  We would just
 be treating you with drugs instead to do the same thing.">

Jesus, where are you finding these idiots? Or are you just telling a fib? 
Does the MD have email? Maybe we could get him to testify to what you say he 
said.

 > I always
 feel immediate relief after a chiropractic treatment, although
 I have to admit this last spasm took quite a few treatments.>

The future is bleak for you unless you get genuine medical attention. 
 
 >My horse couldn't physically make it up the hill last year.  You
 could see that his whole hip was assymetrical.  I had a well
 known endurance vet who has a base practice in equine chiropractic
 and accupuncture treat him with accupuncture and chiropractic
 manipulation.>

Precisely what did he move from where to where? What was his diagnosis? What 
did he tell you he was doing? 

>  The very next time I rode my horse, he was able
 to power himself up that very same hill without a problem.  He
 tweeked himself rolling in the paddock and getting tangled in his
 sheet earlier this winter.  Tweeked again, acted lame.  Called
 Nancy again and he was no longer lame.  She never ran "diagnostics"
 other than structural alignment - in fact she would refer a new
 client to a regular vet for diagnosis before she would
 schedule an appointment.  She also evaluates the horses dental
 alignment and farrier work in a much more structurally integrative
 way than a traditional clinical vet.>

And what is "structural alignment", pray tell? And what does "structurally 
integrative" mean? Both are real nice sounding phrases. Music to your ears. 
Four and five-syllable words, just like an MD would use. Please explain them 
to me. You've really got me flipped now. 
 
> Accupuncture is based on traditional Chinese medicine.> 

So is shoving an onion up the horse's butt. 

 > It's not
 a "New Age" unicorn thing for unicorn woman.>

Have you read any double-blind papers on acupuncture? Do you know what they 
all find? It's the equivalent of a very mild local anasthetic--and that's 
all. 


 > I have also studied
 martial arts and there is a lot to be said about internal power
 and energy flow. >

There is a lot to be said about Brother Leroy's Holy Hill Cathedral Holy 
Water--why one day a lady sprinkled it on a beautiful Cadillac and the next 
day--SHE OWNED IT!!! 

Here's something you can take to the bank--the more talk involved in a 
treatment modality, the more likely it is to be complete bullshit. 


 >The "ki" as my ancestors would say or "qi"
 as the Chinese would call it. It probably scares the Irish in you.>

We Irish call it "focus". Don't know what that is in Chinese, but they're 
pretty primitive folk over there--they still stick formadehyde in the brains 
of girl babies as they are being born. Klingon medicine.
 
 >All the rest of the stuff you mentioned,
 
 "alternative" equine
 treatment modalities. Lasers,
 magnets, infrared diodes, TTouch,
 "whispering", mind reading, etc.lasers,"
 
 really don't have much to do with chiropractors. >

Sure they do--they all have great stories attached to them--hell, TTeam is a 
full-blown religion. 

> The ultrasound
 treatment I received from my chiropractor is the same ultrasound
 treatment I received from the Stanford Sports Medicine group
 when I had my ACL injury.>

Sure--a useful treatment modality. Even a quack has to do something right or 
he won't get you back again. Do you know what ultrasound does? Please tell us 
all.
 
 >Okay, TI.  Tear me apart.  I'm expecting it.>

You flipped me good. I had to.

ti
 
 Kathy >>