Re: RC: Re: Chiropractors

[Linda Cowles <kadence@ix.netcom.com>]

Ohhh Tom... I am so glad you know so much about everything...

Bodies are machines... there are pulleys, levers, an electrical system...
Chiropractics' is adjusting a bio mechanical structure so that the association
between the pieces is returned to the optimum operating location. If you jar your
cars front end out of alignment, all of the interval training in the world won't
remove the wobble... You have to go to a mechanic and have the damned wheel moved
back into the correct position.

Simple mechanics, Tom.

Do you believe it's effective? It really doesn't matter what you believe.  HMO's
and health insurance providers "believe" and authorize / pay for chiropractic
treatment. Many of us have benefited from it. You can be small minded about it,
but you look silly and sound like my Grandfather talking about computers.

  -- Linda



Tivers@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 9/11/00 9:32:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> kathy_mayeda@atce.com writes:
>
> << Okay, this is where you and I will always disagree!  I won't even
>  pretend to be able to change your mind, but I want to relay my
>  own personal experiences with chiropractors, both human and equine.
>
>  I went to an orthopedic surgeon when a dislocated my "rude finger".
>  Okay, I spend most of my day at the keyboard, and am kind of dependent
>  on my finger working.  But the orthopedic surgeon essentially told
>  me that my finger will always be deformed and have limited range of
>  motion.>
>
> A stupid orthopedic surgeon--always get a second opinion. The best docs for
> this kind of thing are the sportsmedicine specialists.
>
> >  I went to my chiropractor for another issue, and relayed
>  what the orthopedic surgeon told me.  She said "B---- S----", and
>  proceeded to work on it via manipulation and ultrasound, told me
>  to take some of the same supplements you recommend, and got
>  some physical therapy. >
>
> Whoops, sound like a 3-point attack here--physical therapy from the quack or
> from a physical therapist? Did the manipulation that the chiro applied heal
> you? Or did you just select the chiro's magic as the healing technique out of
> the blue? Say, for purposes of argument.
>
>  >I now have full range of motion
>  in that finger with no deformity. No thanks to the orthopedic surgeon,
>  who is affiliated with Stanford University.>
>
> If you'd gone to Brother Leroy of the Church of What's Happenin' Now in
> Delaware, Ohio, he'd have cured you on the spot--no need for the physical
> therapy and nutrition.
>
> > I can flip you off with finesse now!>
>
> Yeah, I'm flipped!
>
>  >If I DON'T get an chiropractic adjustment, my pelvis gets
>  out of whack and I'm in pain.>
>
> I had a friend in similar condition--from a car wreck. He was a true believer
> in chiropractic and visited regularly to have his back bone crunched.
> Eventually, he was in such pain that he was paralized until a SURGEON fused
> his backbone. Doesn't walk real well now, but he can walk.
>
>  > My sciolosis gets more pronounced
>  and I get to be a real crooked rider.  If I am good and
>  go see my chiropracter when I feel slightly tweeked, my back
>  doesn't go into spasm like it did last time!  I KNEW my hip
>  was tweeked before I rode the Fireworks 50 but didn't get adjusted.
>  Didn't get adjusted before crewing the Swanton 100 either and the
>  following day, I had a terrible time getting out of bed.>
>
> "Tweaked?" You're spouting nonsense now. Precisely what do you think this
> quack is doing for you? Certainly not healing anything, eh? But he's sure got
> you coming back for more. Nice hustle.
>
> > I went to the
>  doctor.  He didn't do anything because I had already told him
>  I made an appointment with my chiropractor.  His comment was,
>  "You'll be treated if you go to your chiropractor.  We would just
>  be treating you with drugs instead to do the same thing.">
>
> Jesus, where are you finding these idiots? Or are you just telling a fib?
> Does the MD have email? Maybe we could get him to testify to what you say he
> said.
>
>  > I always
>  feel immediate relief after a chiropractic treatment, although
>  I have to admit this last spasm took quite a few treatments.>
>
> The future is bleak for you unless you get genuine medical attention.
>
>  >My horse couldn't physically make it up the hill last year.  You
>  could see that his whole hip was assymetrical.  I had a well
>  known endurance vet who has a base practice in equine chiropractic
>  and accupuncture treat him with accupuncture and chiropractic
>  manipulation.>
>
> Precisely what did he move from where to where? What was his diagnosis? What
> did he tell you he was doing?
>
> >  The very next time I rode my horse, he was able
>  to power himself up that very same hill without a problem.  He
>  tweeked himself rolling in the paddock and getting tangled in his
>  sheet earlier this winter.  Tweeked again, acted lame.  Called
>  Nancy again and he was no longer lame.  She never ran "diagnostics"
>  other than structural alignment - in fact she would refer a new
>  client to a regular vet for diagnosis before she would
>  schedule an appointment.  She also evaluates the horses dental
>  alignment and farrier work in a much more structurally integrative
>  way than a traditional clinical vet.>
>
> And what is "structural alignment", pray tell? And what does "structurally
> integrative" mean? Both are real nice sounding phrases. Music to your ears.
> Four and five-syllable words, just like an MD would use. Please explain them
> to me. You've really got me flipped now.
>
> > Accupuncture is based on traditional Chinese medicine.>
>
> So is shoving an onion up the horse's butt.
>
>  > It's not
>  a "New Age" unicorn thing for unicorn woman.>
>
> Have you read any double-blind papers on acupuncture? Do you know what they
> all find? It's the equivalent of a very mild local anasthetic--and that's
> all.
>
>  > I have also studied
>  martial arts and there is a lot to be said about internal power
>  and energy flow. >
>
> There is a lot to be said about Brother Leroy's Holy Hill Cathedral Holy
> Water--why one day a lady sprinkled it on a beautiful Cadillac and the next
> day--SHE OWNED IT!!!
>
> Here's something you can take to the bank--the more talk involved in a
> treatment modality, the more likely it is to be complete bullshit.
>
>  >The "ki" as my ancestors would say or "qi"
>  as the Chinese would call it. It probably scares the Irish in you.>
>
> We Irish call it "focus". Don't know what that is in Chinese, but they're
> pretty primitive folk over there--they still stick formadehyde in the brains
> of girl babies as they are being born. Klingon medicine.
>
>  >All the rest of the stuff you mentioned,
>
>  "alternative" equine
>  treatment modalities. Lasers,
>  magnets, infrared diodes, TTouch,
>  "whispering", mind reading, etc.lasers,"
>
>  really don't have much to do with chiropractors. >
>
> Sure they do--they all have great stories attached to them--hell, TTeam is a
> full-blown religion.
>
> > The ultrasound
>  treatment I received from my chiropractor is the same ultrasound
>  treatment I received from the Stanford Sports Medicine group
>  when I had my ACL injury.>
>
> Sure--a useful treatment modality. Even a quack has to do something right or
> he won't get you back again. Do you know what ultrasound does? Please tell us
> all.
>
>  >Okay, TI.  Tear me apart.  I'm expecting it.>
>
> You flipped me good. I had to.
>
> ti
>
>  Kathy >>
>
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