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While I was on the CFW ride, I heard someone riding behind me asking them to stop firing. They didn't stop shooting. But I think that they probably couldn't hear anything anyway. If they weren't wearing earplugs, they are probably hearing damaged from their own gunshot. Besides, the photographer gets some real good shots of the horses right after the shooting range - everyone looks real alert! I was really surprised that the horses don't seem to freak out too much. By the time we get to the shooting range, all the horses are still is in 'RACE" mode and would rather move on than waste time having a fit at the shooting range. I personally think it's good training towards "bomb-proofing" a horse. Kathy Mayeda -----Original Message----- From: guest@endurance.net [mailto:guest@endurance.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:12 PM To: ridecamp@endurance.net Subject: RC: Trail Courtesy K S SWIGART katswig@earthlink.net Amber said: >Karen Sullivan wrote: > >> Then, as many of you know, the trail goes right by the shooting range. In >> the past, the horses hear the shots in advance and go by it, no problem >> (though I would hate to be on a really green, idiot horse) THIS year, they >> stopped shooting WHILE they approached, then ALL the shooters let loose with >> firing (some automatic), exactly timed for when we passed by. Nice guys, >> huh? > >Excuuuuse me, but what the hell is the matter with people???? This just makes >me furious. It shouldn't. These shooters probably thought they were being polite and considerate. They were probably told, "There are going to be a bunch of horses going by today, and they might be startled by the gunfire so when you see them coming, it would be polite to stop shooting and wait until they have passed before resuming." And that is just what they thought they were doing. It is beyond me why people are so quick to think that other people are motivated by ill intent. In my experience, almost nobody is. And certainly shooters at a shooting range would not collude to deliberately startle horses. Shooters are another one of those minorities who generally understand that if they want to be able to continue in their hobby, deliberately pissing off non-participants wouldn't be the best way to go about it. Horse people who suggest that horse riders (or dog owners, or whoever) get "an attitude" would do well to consider this. Minority hobbyist with "an attitude" are just inviting the majority to stomp them out. There may be rare individual shooters who might, without really thinking about the consequences, think it would be funny to deliberately startle horses with gunfire, but I cannot even fathom a whole crowd of them at an official shooting range deciding this together. Just as there are individual dog owners, horse owners, mountain bikers, and dirt bike riders who seem willing to antagonize the general population--although even these people are generally thoughtless rather than deliberately malicious. If ride management doesn't want the same thing to happen again at this endurance ride, it can go to the shooting range operators and say, "We appreciate the effort your shooters made in trying to not startle the horses with gunfire, but actually it would be better if ________." And discuss the best way for the shooters and the horses to share the area. This goes for sharing with ALL the users of the area: shooters, horses, mountain bikes, dirt bikes, cars, trucks, and pedestrians to name just a few. It is unreasonable for me as a horse rider to expect non-horse people to understand the idiosyncracies of horses. Most people's experience with horses is what they see in the movies...and the things they see horses do in the movies are nothing like the way real horses that are only half-broke handled by people with a great deal less skill than movie wrangles behave...and besides, they don't get to see ANY of the equine behaviour that gets left on the cutting room floor. :) What they do get to see is Arnold Schwartznegger galloping a horse down city streets in heavy traffic chasing a motorcycle through hotel lobbies and riding in an elevator. Why SHOULDN'T horses be able to handle a little gunfire...or exhaust noise from a dirt bike? If we want people to behave differently in their hobbies when horses are around, it is up to us to try to POLITELY inform them that we really don't have very much control over our horses and to ask them to be understanding of our ineptitude, rather than berating them for not knowing just how flighty horses can be. Most people, if given the opportunity, will try to be considerate, and it is a rare individual, indeed, who will deliberately do something that they have POLITELY been asked not to. kat Orange County, Calif. p.s. Many of them might then, quite reasonably, ask why we are foolish enough to get on a thousand pound animal that can be so unpredictable and go out in public with it. :) And, BTW, there are some horse riders who feel the same way...and won't take their horses out of the controlled environment of an arena--and think that trail riders are crazy. What I accept is that when I take my horses out into the big, wide world, that I am taking them to a place where there may be horse eating monsters (and us horse people haven't even figured out what all those things are....why should non-horse people be born knowing it). And it is MY responsiblity to ensure both the horse's and my own safety, not to depend on strangers to do it for me. And that includes being prepared for encountering cars on roads, bikes on bike paths, shooters at shooting ranges (and Navy Jets going supersonic in the Panamint Valley :)). And if I am not prepared for that, I can stay in the arena. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/RideCamp =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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