ridecamp@endurance.net: RE: Standing martingales....

RE: Standing martingales....

Jennifer Heim (JHEIM@gunder.com)
Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:51:12 -0700

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Gotta comment on this one. Hackamores (mechanical) are designed to lift
the horse's head and neck way up. It was designed for horses that had a
tendency to drop their head/neck and evade the bit .... usually are worn
over a bridle and bit and used to "pop up" the head when dropped too
far. Mechanical hackamores bring it back up. The flip side of this is
someone wanting to use a mechanical hackamore to "not use a bit" on
their pony, the undercarriage of the neck becomes over developed (ewe
neck) and almost all end up using a standing martingale to bring that
head back down.

Another suggestion: don't use the mechanical hackamore and use a
sidepull instead. If you're concerned about the mark a sidepull will
make on his nose, use a double-rope sidepull. If his head is still
skyrocketed with the sidepull, use a running martingale and adjust it so
that when you pull straight up on one side of the running martingale, it
goes no higher than the top of his wither bone. Never adjust a running
martingale lower than this. Properly adjusted, this will keep his mouth
from getting higher than his withers. Plus, with a sidepull, you have
can use a direct-rein, an indirect rein, a neck rein, and an opposition
rein. Can't do much besides neck rein with a mechanical hackamore and a
direct rein can break a jaw.

Good luck
Jen & the Sunman

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From: Liz Carpenter[SMTP:cvsec@south-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 1997 10:45 AM
To: ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: Standing martingales....

Hi all,

Is it possible to use a standing martingale with a Blair's
Pattern
Bitless bridle (sometimes called hackamore) or would one need a
separate nose piece to fasten it to? The nose of the Blair's is
fitted correctly and is not low.

Cheers!

Liz and Basil (hoping to be a nose pony)
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E. Carpenter
Institute for Cardiovascular Research
The University of Leeds
Leeds LS2 9JT, UK
+ 44 (0113) 2334173
e.carpenter@leeds.ac.uk
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