ridecamp@endurance.net: Re: A fresh start, please?

Re: A fresh start, please?

Tivers@aol.com
Sun, 20 Apr 1997 21:05:26 -0400 (EDT)

Susan,

I welcome discussion and I have no personal dislike for your or your writing
style. In fact, I'm certain your brain and library are full of information I
could use. Our conflict comes about when you dismiss what I know, and have
stated, to be true with the old "no proof" statements that basically means
that if the tree fell in the forest but David Snow didn't see it fall, then
it didn't fall."

Hey, the one thing I'm not is a liar. I tell the truth, as I see it, to a
fault. When I say that I've had thousands of horses undergo glycogen loading
with no ill effects and millions of dollars of winnings as a result, I'm not
lying. I don't have the foggiest how glycogen loading will work with
endurance horses, but the first few reports coming back are encouraging, but
I know for certain that it won't kill horses and will probably provide some
significant benefit. I have the practical experience, in overwhelming
numbers, to report this to be absolute truth. Why it works, I'm not sure. Why
it works better than it does in human athletes, I'm not sure. Whether it will
work as well in endurance horses, I'm not sure. But I want to find out all
these things--not to sell a bunch of product--he'll I've already given my
formulas away--but just to take another step along the learning curve.

And my laboratory is all the people you and I are talking to on this list. I
want to encourage them to seek knowledge for purely selfish reasons--I want
to know this stuff. Meanwhile, I'm willing to take the time to impart any
insights I have in return. So, when you tell my laboratory that David Snow
has never heard of safe, effective glycogen loading, you're stunting my
growth, especially when I know more than David does in this particular
application.

You see? I know you know your stuff, and I read what you write with interest.
You're teaching me a lot. But once in a while, we'll run across something
that my own experience tells me is other than what has been published to
date--lactic acid causing fatigue, for example. Then I want to get into
discussions, but not with someone who is going to start by telling me what
I've seen with my own eyes, and through my clients' eyes, thousands of times
over, has not been seen by David Snow and thus is not a valid starting point
for discussion.

If we can begin again on a new basis, I would accept this one: I'm not a
liar; you're not a liar. Both of us are fallible in our opinions and
extrapolations of our experiences and readings. To the extent that we can
share knolwedge that will fill in the gaps of each other's knowledge, that's
great. But trust me that I would not suggest to "my laboratory" anything that
could cause their animals to become sick or injured--I'm extremely cautious
that way.

ti

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