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What's the old saying? You gotta stand for
something, or you'll fall for anything.
C.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:18
PM
Subject: Re: [RC] ROC/NC/Corruption
thread
I am very sorry that you feel this discussion is unproductive. I
think the honest search for the truth, for the future integrity of
our sport is EXTREMELY productive. We, the paying members, have a
responsibility, and the rite to expect things of questionable circumstance to
reach the FULL light of day. Regardless of who is involved. Yes we all
get tired of the BS, "I just wanna go ride my horse" is how most of us
feel, but it is how we get into these messes. Ostriches don't really avoid the
fall out, eventually it will smack you in the face. We ALL need to pay better
attention to what is going on, and speak up when it smells! Annie G.
Annie,
I know some people will get their drawers in a
wad with this -- they usually do. I'm just get so very tired of the
BS. Yes, I know EXACTLY to whom you were referring. It is
especially important for folk in positions of authority in AERC to behave
professionally. Not doing so really hurts the organization. I
hate the thought of that.
I also hate that I feel I have to delete more
RC message than I read because you can tell right off the bat that they'll
be unproductive.
Milinda
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 10:50
AM
Subject: Re: [RC] ROC/NC/Corruption
thread
Exactly my point. The
name calling in place of getting at the truth is unproductive. You will
notice that I did not name anyone. If you think you know who I am refering
to that only supports my point. Lets let all these issues see the light of
day. What is REALLY going on under the covers. And I also would not want
to monitor any list! Annie G.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002
8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [RC] ROC/NC/Corruption
thread
Annie, et al
I know this horse has been beat to death,
but I'm going to smack it again. The personal attacks and juvenile
name-calling has to stop. Yes, I'd like to know people's opinions
on the ROC, etc., etc., but dammit, it's hard to wade though all the
back-of-the-school bus name-calling to get to the "meat" of the
message. Things on this list frequently remind me of political ads
running on TV. I don't want to hit the "mute button" on
Ridecamp. I subscribed to this list to LEARN. If I wanted to
hear juvenile name-calling, I'd go volunteer to be a playground monitor
at the elementary school. THIS DOES NOT RELATE JUST TO THE
DISCUSSIONS OF THE ROC!!!
I've seen people time and again resort to
this behavior whenever a hot-button issue comes up. We're supposed
to be adults here (usually), and it's not setting a good example for the
kids on this list if we start acting younger than they do!
That could have a whole lot to do with what
Steph said. No way would I trade jobs with her -- I don't have the
patience!
Milinda Ellis
Jewett, Texas
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002
9:22 AM
Subject: [RC] ROC/NC/Corruption
thread
Hi Steph, Don't
you think that these are the kinds of things that we need to know
about? You have no idea of the level of corruption, backstabbing, arm
twisting and total lack of integrity that I personally feel is on
the rise in the SW area. It is
PATHETIC!!!!!!! It spills over and affects the entire AERC.
If a person disagrees with the status quo or has any issues at
all with absolutely anything, they are called "
liars" - " neurotic" - "insane"- "stupid"-"uneducated"-" unreasonable"
uninformed"-"unworthy" - "ungrateful"- "insignificant"
and far worse, and are the brunt of some of the worst
screaming cussing verbal attacks I have ever seen in my life, bar
none. I am sickened by the gradual lowering of standard over the
past few years at SOME of the SW rides. And how
SOME RM's are allowing us, the paying members of AERC to
be so abused. ( we still do have some of the best rides in the
US) I don't really consider what Karen said as some kind of
empty fly-by accusation. We need to know about these things, and
discuss them. Find out the TRUTH. Otherwise all the bad stays
hidden in the dark, and AERC and all us little "insignificants"
will suffer, and what this sport is supposed to be will be
completely lost. If you allow this thread to run its
course, uncensored, the truth will eventually rise to the surface. And
we can see for ourselves who is, or is not in error. We the paying
members of AERC have every rite to know ALL the facts, ALL the
truth, and ALL the lies. I think we are all to often left in the
dark, you know the mushroom thing. Kept in the dark and fed
........well ya know. So I ask you to reconsider, and
let the thread continue, let the "stuff" float to the
top. Invite everyone involved to state their case.
Sometimes you just have to get down in the mud and the blood and slug
it out! I am convinced that what is rite and true will win out.
Thanks, Annie G.
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