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    Re: [RC] What Constitutes a Start? - Joe Long

    On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:29:32 -0400, Truman Prevatt
    <tprevatt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
    >It is the AERC that is the aggrieved party in this case, not Angie. The 
    >AERC was denied funds based on this action. Based on his post to 
    >ridecamp, it also seems this is common practice on Dr. Nicholson's 
    >rides. So in my opinion it is the AERC BOD that should be filing a 
    >protest on behalf of all the members and ride managers that do follow 
    >the rules concerning listing all starters and pay all relevant fees to 
    >our organization, the AERC so that an end is put to practice. You and 
    >any members of the BOD on line that read this post, consider it a open 
    >letter to all BOD members.
    I've refrained from commenting on this so far, but I feel it's time.
    First, I like Dave and I have no ax to grind with him ... I'm looking
    forward to riding some XP rides someday ... and I don't know the rider
    in this particular case.
    But what Dave and everyone needs to understand is that this isn't just
    a case of being "casual."  There are many ramifications to who started
    a ride in addition to the money.  I have no problem whatsoever if a
    ride manager wants to refund the entry fee to a rider who starts and
    only goes a short distance ... but once the rider has begun to go down
    the trail the rider HAS STARTED and must be reported as such.  It
    isn't just "being casual" to not report all starting riders, it is,
    really, fraud.  No different than the "ghost riders" some ride
    managers reported as starting their rides who did not actually ride,
    when the ride had fewer than 10 starters and wanted "their" riders to
    get full points.  The AERC must not accept that.
    I don't believe Dave intended to be dishonest or unethical, but not
    reporting a rider as starting -- no matter how good the intentions ...
    is just that.
    Joe Long
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