Ridecamp: RE: [RC] [RC] B.C.A.A. Complex

Tom:

You ask <<< I think Rule 13
would be just fine, if there was an official list of banned
substances to go
with it, so us new to the sport do not have to take
anybody's word for it.

Is there an "Official List" of banned substances, like in
most other sports,
equine or not?

Has B.C. A.A. Complex ever been grounds for a
disqualification?>>>


The production of a list of prohibited substances would not
serve any worthwhile purpose except to further confuse the
issue. The number of non-permissible drugs and substances is
extremely long and then the trade name, the common name, the
generic name and the chemical formulation would be necessary
so that there could be no mistakes.

The other aspect is the liability of producing such a list.
The AERC could be taken to task for both including a
substance on the prohibited list (suppression of trade) as
well as excluding a substance from the list (not listing a
harmful substance). There would be no way to win. Then comes
the continuous introduction of new substances every day. The
list would end up to heavy to carry with you.

I still contend that our rule, simple and brief, covers the
spectrum quite well.

Just remember; 	IF IN DOUBT DO NOT USE IT

The two best drugs to have in your kit are Tincture of Time
and a Dose of Common Sense. These two will carry you through
99.999% of the problems associated with horses and endurance
competition.

Bob Morris
Morris Endurance Enterprises
Boise, ID

-----Original Message-----
From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Tom
Dean
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 7:32 PM
To: Bob Morris; Lisa Redmond; Ridecamp@Endurance. Net
Subject: RE: [RC] [RC] B.C.A.A. Complex


Bob,

I had never even heard of B.C.A.A. Complex until this thread
started and
obviously I have never used it.  I still do not understand
the difference
between using it and Probiotics that manufacturers also
promise improved
performance from the horse and both are naturally occurring
in the horse and
are not "drug, medication or veterinary treatment".  Or for
that matter,
Maalox, which is not naturally occurring in a horse and is a
drug and Maalox
is widely used and accepted.

The health of my horses is more important to me than any
vague AERC rule.
Anytime you ride a horse 50 miles in 8 hours +/- or and 75
in 12 +/-, those
horses have suffered some level of stress.  It is difficult
to filter
through all the information and make a correct "legal"
decision.  I am not
looking for a performance advantage since I do not ride to
win; I am simply
looking for the best way to take care of my horses.  I have
explored diet,
exercise schedule, supplements, shoeing and environment.  I
think Rule 13
would be just fine, if there was an official list of banned
substances to go
with it, so us new to the sport do not have to take
anybody's word for it.

Is there an "Official List" of banned substances, like in
most other sports,
equine or not?

Has B.C. A.A. Complex ever been grounds for a
disqualification?

Thanks for taking the time to answer,

Tom



-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Morris [mailto:bobmorris@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 7:26 AM
To: Tom Dean; Lisa Redmond; Ridecamp@Endurance. Net
Subject: RE: [RC] [RC] B.C.A.A. Complex

Tom:

The AERC Rula conceerning drugs is very simple "The
integrity of Endurance Competition requires that the equine
is not influenced by any drug, medication or veterinary
treatment."

Accept that statement and you will have no problems.

Because of the complexity of the world wide manufactured
drug industry, it is impossible to name all the drugs that
could be allowed as well as all the drugs that would be
disallowed. Remember that it would be necessary to name all
the brand names as well as the generic names and I am quite
sure that you would not want to carry such a tome around
with you. Then what do you do about the fact that new ones
are being produced each and every day.

So we go to the simple "The integrity of Endurance
Competition requires that the equine is not influenced by
any drug, medication or veterinary treatment."

You state<<If there is some supplement that can reduce the
stress (legally) on my horses, then I want them to have
it.>>> The best you can do in this case is to not ride the
horse. This will reduce the stress emensely and much easier
than dosing with substances.

Bob

Bob Morris
Morris Endurance Enterprises
Boise, ID

-----Original Message-----
From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Tom
Dean
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 8:11 AM
To: Lisa Redmond; Ridecamp@Endurance. Net
Subject: [RC] [RC] B.C.A.A. Complex


Lisa,

Science may rule for you but confusion reigns for me when
everybody gets
talking about the interpretation of for Rule 13.  :)

I am not trying to take advantage of any rule; I just want
to take to best
care of my horses.  If there is some supplement that can
reduce the stress
(legally) on my horses, then I want them to have it.  Maybe
to the longtime
endurance folks the rules seems simple.  But to a relative
newcomer, the
rule is vague and gives very poor guidance to somebody
trying to balance
between doing things right and want is best for the horse.

In a sport that e'lytes, probiotics and Maalox are allowed
by ride vets, how
am I determine if B.C.A.A. is legal or not.  The people on
Ridecamp cannot
even agree whether it should be or not.  Do you know if
somebody used it in
front of a Ride Vet that it would be illegal?  I just wish
there was a list
so the learning curve would be easier and not some vague
rule.

Tom


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