Ridecamp: Re[2]: [RC] LD MY final ideas or cut- delete

Bob
OK Bob you may have gotten me on the original intent with  LD out in your region,
I think even back then the way it was implanted in all the regions was
not the same either.
How it was perceived and how it was implemented then and now are not the
same all over.
I still dont remember it promoted as a 'training' event. Still had no
control on speed.  That was why I had such a very bad opinion of the LD
rides when I moved to the SE
I remember them as races  down and bad.
Mostly the NE  did NOT do them.
It was the slow word of mouth back then that led me to believe
them to be really fast races, MAY have come from the SE in those days,
LOTS of flat rides here.
It is better controlled here. We have almost no problems in the SE
with LD Races or Rides. The riders do a good job of management.

Dont see but  a few getting treatment and not all rides have treated
horses,   and NOT the same riders.

 Seems its ok as it is, just the way we riders implement the competition.
Unless there really is some strong supporting evidence I see no reason
to not let the LD  go along as it is  within regions  - eventually the
program may become more universally accepted and consistent

Dont hear much about those horse killer Marathons anymore  -so if they
still have them they are well managed and low key.

 Roger R

BM> Roger:

BM> You woke me up on this one!

BM> I am sorry to dispute your concept of LD in the beginning
BM> but that was not the way it really started. All records that
BM> I have, including minutes and the original drafts of the
BM> AERC Rules state that for LD "No speed awards are given".
BM> However, BC when it was included in the LD program stated
BM> that the BC would be based on the Endurance competition BC
BM> form with the speed factored in.

BM> My records show little change in the LD program as far as
BM> rule changes or modifications. It has been changed and
BM> modified by Ride Managers and Regions.

BM> Also, the Marathons are still a factor in the FEI Rules to
BM> this day.

BM> I have all the records if you are interested. I could scan
BM> them in but you are looking at about 20 pages.

BM> Bob

BM> Bob Morris
BM> Morris Endurance Enterprises
BM> Boise, ID

BM> -----Original Message-----
BM> From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
BM> [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Roger
BM> Rittenhouse
BM> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 7:08 PM
BM> To: ridecamp
BM> Subject: [RC] LD MY final ideas or cut- delete


BM> Way back in the beginning of LD ride they were setup the
BM> same as the
BM> normal rides/races  with a finish line placement. In spite
BM> of some
BM> opinions , I think I have this correct, they were races same
BM> as a 50.
BM> While some MAY have thought they were only a training ride'
BM> The actual
BM> rules and implementation of  them  supported races.

BM> Just a flat out race. When riders and the BOD saw the error
BM> they tried
BM>  fix the main issue  of racing. The finish pulse down to 60
BM> sort of stopped or
BM> limited the racing   -for a short time.
BM> Remember at that time early  - what 90s - the flat UAE
BM> MARATHONS were in the
BM> fore front. FLAT out full bore runs. They UAE stopped them
BM> for the most
BM> part. BUT horses were being sold for being FAST at 25 miles
BM> and
BM> staying sound. Same  as some great race horses.

BM> AERC made the change to the pulse down finish but the level
BM> of competition
BM> was still considered a race by those who did. Horses got in
BM> better
BM> condition for the task - running fast for short distances -
BM> stayed
BM> sound and look ok at the end race after race.
BM>  The 60 pulse down placing has not
BM> really slowed down the racers- only caused us to make
BM> stronger horses
BM> and crew faster.
BM> NOT ALL but many still use them for a race with no intention
BM> to move
BM> up It is their chosen level of competition..

BM> Hot dogs who knew nothing,  ALL the bad boys and girls- came
BM> out to be
BM> an 'endurance rider'. After a few years the better riders in
BM> LD and
BM> higher mileage riders and vets began to put down the hot
BM> dogs.
BM> I saw it early on when I moved to the SE.
BM> LD riding/racing was going on big time here. The bad
BM> dogs were driven out. They left. Sure we still have a few -
BM> but they
BM> DO learn and appear to learn faster, or go away.

BM> The concept is what ever you want it to be.

BM> I like it just as it is. I want no changes to age or format
BM> or ride rules.

BM> What is a training ride to me may be race to you. I used the
BM> LDs to do
BM> my flat land running -interval runs. Since I live in the
BM> mountains, I
BM> do not have 10 to 20 miles of SAFE fast trails to let him
BM> RUN fast, to
BM> build his depth and increase his endurance. SO we really ran
BM> a few
BM> with the front runners - its called racing when you come in
BM> with the
BM> front runners??
BM> I used fast LDs to TRAIN my horse for the faster 50 milers I
BM> had
BM> planned - so for me it WAS a training ride. But some would
BM> write it
BM> off as a nut case LD racer. Ten miles around a lake in less
BM> then 40 minutes was
BM> a real rush. hehe
BM>    Now seriously -
BM> What I would propose is we do the following
BM> 1. Drop ALL national level LD award programs  Placing ,BC,
BM> high mile
BM> etc.
BM> 2. Keep Lifetime mileage in the LD miles program
BM> 3. Award REGIONAL placing and Regional BC and high mileages
BM> for those Region that want to
BM> support the concept. As we do in the SE.

BM> 4. DO NOT force all regions to comply with the LD program.
BM> Let the
BM> riders decide in each region how they want LD to be
BM> implemented and rewarded.

BM> 5. List the LD ride in EN JUST as is now done. Placing for
BM> the
BM> regions offer placing and ride list for others. Just report
BM> it as it
BM> is being done by region. Keep regional statics only (placing
BM> BC mileage
BM> etc.

BM> 6. NO AGE CHANGE LD or ENDURANCE

BM> Ok maybe not all -  but thats about all I could work out
BM> today on  the
BM> hour ride with Omni.
BM> We are coming back!

BM> Now how to make things happen. WELL easier said then done.
BM> The board is not inclined to look into much of the LD
BM> changes  but it has
BM> come up to consider some issues. I dont see any changes
BM> taking place this
BM> year.

BM> How to make it happen. Send emails to the Board at AERC
BM> office.
BM> Addressed to the LD committee
BM> Hopefully they will be reviewed and talked about.
BM> The age thing has little chance of going forward, there is
BM> just NOT the
BM> evidence to support the need for a change.
BM> But ask for it  - make it a 'for the record issue'.

BM> Posts here are not read by all the BOD members. For a
BM> suggestion to be
BM> seriously considered you have to go direct to the board
BM> preferable the
BM> LD committee.

BM> You never know when something will get through.
BM>  If something good is derived from this and no bashing, we
BM> may get
BM> things rolling with the LD Comm this time
BM> I am sure some of the board will see this - I will post to
BM> them later after a
BM> few iterations here

BM> First ride  to be GERA 25 End of Aug.
BM>   Roger Rittenhouse



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