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    RE: [RC] LD MY final ideas or cut- delete - Bob Morris


    Roger:
    
    You woke me up on this one!
    
    I am sorry to dispute your concept of LD in the beginning
    but that was not the way it really started. All records that
    I have, including minutes and the original drafts of the
    AERC Rules state that for LD "No speed awards are given".
    However, BC when it was included in the LD program stated
    that the BC would be based on the Endurance competition BC
    form with the speed factored in.
    
    My records show little change in the LD program as far as
    rule changes or modifications. It has been changed and
    modified by Ride Managers and Regions.
    
    Also, the Marathons are still a factor in the FEI Rules to
    this day.
    
    I have all the records if you are interested. I could scan
    them in but you are looking at about 20 pages.
    
    Bob
    
    Bob Morris
    Morris Endurance Enterprises
    Boise, ID
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Roger
    Rittenhouse
    Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 7:08 PM
    To: ridecamp
    Subject: [RC] LD MY final ideas or cut- delete
    
    
    Way back in the beginning of LD ride they were setup the
    same as the
    normal rides/races  with a finish line placement. In spite
    of some
    opinions , I think I have this correct, they were races same
    as a 50.
    While some MAY have thought they were only a training ride'
    The actual
    rules and implementation of  them  supported races.
    
    Just a flat out race. When riders and the BOD saw the error
    they tried
     fix the main issue  of racing. The finish pulse down to 60
    sort of stopped or
    limited the racing   -for a short time.
    Remember at that time early  - what 90s - the flat UAE
    MARATHONS were in the
    fore front. FLAT out full bore runs. They UAE stopped them
    for the most
    part. BUT horses were being sold for being FAST at 25 miles
    and
    staying sound. Same  as some great race horses.
    
    AERC made the change to the pulse down finish but the level
    of competition
    was still considered a race by those who did. Horses got in
    better
    condition for the task - running fast for short distances -
    stayed
    sound and look ok at the end race after race.
     The 60 pulse down placing has not
    really slowed down the racers- only caused us to make
    stronger horses
    and crew faster.
    NOT ALL but many still use them for a race with no intention
    to move
    up It is their chosen level of competition..
    
    Hot dogs who knew nothing,  ALL the bad boys and girls- came
    out to be
    an 'endurance rider'. After a few years the better riders in
    LD and
    higher mileage riders and vets began to put down the hot
    dogs.
    I saw it early on when I moved to the SE.
    LD riding/racing was going on big time here. The bad
    dogs were driven out. They left. Sure we still have a few -
    but they
    DO learn and appear to learn faster, or go away.
    
    The concept is what ever you want it to be.
    
    I like it just as it is. I want no changes to age or format
    or ride rules.
    
    What is a training ride to me may be race to you. I used the
    LDs to do
    my flat land running -interval runs. Since I live in the
    mountains, I
    do not have 10 to 20 miles of SAFE fast trails to let him
    RUN fast, to
    build his depth and increase his endurance. SO we really ran
    a few
    with the front runners - its called racing when you come in
    with the
    front runners??
    I used fast LDs to TRAIN my horse for the faster 50 milers I
    had
    planned - so for me it WAS a training ride. But some would
    write it
    off as a nut case LD racer. Ten miles around a lake in less
    then 40 minutes was
    a real rush. hehe
       Now seriously -
    What I would propose is we do the following
    1. Drop ALL national level LD award programs  Placing ,BC,
    high mile
    etc.
    2. Keep Lifetime mileage in the LD miles program
    3. Award REGIONAL placing and Regional BC and high mileages
    for those Region that want to
    support the concept. As we do in the SE.
    
    4. DO NOT force all regions to comply with the LD program.
    Let the
    riders decide in each region how they want LD to be
    implemented and rewarded.
    
    5. List the LD ride in EN JUST as is now done. Placing for
    the
    regions offer placing and ride list for others. Just report
    it as it
    is being done by region. Keep regional statics only (placing
    BC mileage
    etc.
    
    6. NO AGE CHANGE LD or ENDURANCE
    
    Ok maybe not all -  but thats about all I could work out
    today on  the
    hour ride with Omni.
    We are coming back!
    
    Now how to make things happen. WELL easier said then done.
    The board is not inclined to look into much of the LD
    changes  but it has
    come up to consider some issues. I dont see any changes
    taking place this
    year.
    
    How to make it happen. Send emails to the Board at AERC
    office.
    Addressed to the LD committee
    Hopefully they will be reviewed and talked about.
    The age thing has little chance of going forward, there is
    just NOT the
    evidence to support the need for a change.
    But ask for it  - make it a 'for the record issue'.
    
    Posts here are not read by all the BOD members. For a
    suggestion to be
    seriously considered you have to go direct to the board
    preferable the
    LD committee.
    
    You never know when something will get through.
     If something good is derived from this and no bashing, we
    may get
    things rolling with the LD Comm this time
    I am sure some of the board will see this - I will post to
    them later after a
    few iterations here
    
    First ride  to be GERA 25 End of Aug.
      Roger Rittenhouse
    
    
    
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