Re: ridecamp-d Digest V01 #1674

[Lysane Cree <lysanec@yahoo.ca>]

Having just sent this to someone else - the Wintec
website is:
http://www.wintec.net.au
Their webbers are very good and you don't feel the
bulk of a buckle under your thigh.
Lysane
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> 
> ridecamp-d Digest				Volume 01 : Issue 1674
> 
> Today's Topics:
>   RC: Any English riders out there?     [ "Lynette"
> <helgeson@ndak.net> ]
>   RC: cliffhangers                      [
> Merryben@aol.com ]
>   RC: Re: Guaging the miles             [ "Bany
> Cranmer" <giddyupbc@msn.com> ]
>   RC: Wool pads V. Dixie Midnight       [ Lysane
> Cree <lysanec@yahoo.ca> ]
>   RC: Back                              [ "Annie
> George" <ageorge@vtc.net> ]
>   RC: Re: Wool pads V. Dixie Midnight   [ "Jeanne
> Slominski" <EnduranceMorgan ]
>   RC: Re: cliffhangers                  [ "John
> Bass" <jbass@beattynv.com> ]
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:20:32 -0600
> From: "Lynette" <helgeson@ndak.net>
> To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>, "Lynne Glazer"
> <lynne@glazer.org>
> Subject: RC:   Any English riders out there?
> 
> 
> > I use Wintec Webbers instead of stirrup
> leathers--they're single 
> > layer with a loop on top for slipping onto the
> stirrup bars.  Can't 
> > imagine going back to conventional leathers after
> years in these.
> 
> Does Wintec have a website? What catalogs do you
> get? All my catalogs, exect for Millers are western.
> 
> > 
>  
> > Cinches, or rather "girths" are something you
> choose based on your 
> > horse's preference.  Katee of Advantage Saddlery
> has good mohair 
> > girths--as long as you're riding in an area that
> doesn't have burrs.
> 
> Where is Katee? how do I get ahold of them?
> 
> > 
> > Some horses like neoprene--I've only had good luck
> with those made by 
> > Ortho-flex.  You'd have to find one used now, or
> on eBay perhaps.
> 
> I have an western neoprene cinch made by Ortho-flex.
> I had problems with my horses swelling up with it. I
> have also had that problem with the cotton cinches
> and swelling because of the skin getting pinched.
> And those were expenses cinches.  
> > 
> > In any case, you want "roller buckles" on your
> girth.
> > 
> > Wintec makes a $30 one with hidden elastic in the
> center, that works 
> > well for a friend who rides in one of our RP
> saddles.  It's easy to 
> > overtighten a girth that has elastic and roller
> buckles.  Elastic 
> > allows the horse to take deep breaths without
> being constrained, but 
> > be careful evaluating girths with elastic at the
> end--they can pinch 
> > and the elastic can wear out.
> > 
> > Some of us even use leather girths--I do, but it's
> made of the 
> > material inside ballet shoes, and I have to clean
> it daily so it 
> > retains its softness.  I use it because it has
> elastic in the center 
> > and a wide belly plate, cut in at the elbow for
> clearance.
> 
> I not only ride, but I have three daughters that
> ride with me. I can't imagine finding the time to
> clean cinches everytime we ride. So I know that
> leather would not work for me, in fact I have been
> trying to stay away from leather because of the time
> factor. Although I really like leather. ;-)
> > 
> > Some people affix little grommets on the front of
> their pads and tie 
> > it to the dee rings.
> 
> There a good idea. 
> > 
> > One note on the French link bits--lay the bit
> you're considering flat 
> > on the counter.  If the center piece lies flat,
> then that is indeed a 
> > French link.  If it angles back, then it's a Dr.
> Bristol, and is much 
> > harsher.
> > 
> > Arabs generally have low palates, so thick bits
> can be a problem. 
> > Some do better in mullen mouths (more like a
> straight bar, with a low 
> > port for tongue relief.)  Personally, I've found
> that the Myler 
> > hackamore works best for my mare, who is strong at
> the starts--well, 
> > not like she used to be, but it is indeed
> insurance.  I use the one 
> > with a soft leather cover over a chain; it's got
> "S" shanks, but 
> > unlike the popular "S" hackamore in use, the curb
> chain actually is 
> > in the proper position for Arabians.  The "S"
> shanks are effectively 
> > shorter, so that the horse can drink from
> shallower puddles than what 
> > a Sliester hackamore with long shanks would allow.
>  They're also 
> > handier for drinking from stock tanks and eating
> hay or other chow 
> > along the way.
> 
> I started my arab, Apache, on the little S
> hackamore. He went great in it in the first year.
> But them he figured out he could do what ever he
> wanted in it. So I steadily lost control. He was
> young at the time. So I switched to a twisted
> snaffle bit that I had. He goes pretty good in that,
> but he gets sores from the bit on the corners of his
> mouth, I have to put vet wrap on the bit to keep
> from soring him. So he has a very sensitive mouth,
> and I need a different bit. He absolutly hates the
> curb bits that I have tried on him. Fights me every
> step of the way.  
> I am very curious about your statement about the
> little "S" hackamore curb chain being in the wrong
> position for Arabs, could you please explain that
> further? 
> > 
> > Mine go in a snaffle or French link for arena
> work.  I use flat reins 
> > as a personal preference.
> > 
> > Your question made me reflect on all the gear
> changes my girl has 
> > gone through over the years.   Laughing at the
> amount of thought and 
> > $ that has gone into her current bridle: Zilco
> hackamore headstall, 
> > thin Pat Fredrickson rope halter underneath, Myler
> S hack, nylon and 
> > three strand curb chain, pet tag for ID, Zilco 10
> ft rubberized flat 
> > reins--and at the lunch check, we're down to the
> rope halter and 
> > reins.  :-)  Never thought my fire-breathing mare
> would be able to do 
> > it.  Bought a new Pat F. halter with sidepull
> rings and tried it on 
> > the last ride; my mare liked it better than having
> the reins hooked 
> > to the halter loop--the scissor snaps could  hit
> her in the chin if I 
> > didnt' keep some tension on the reins.  Now I can
> ride on the 
> > "buckle" again, a great English expression meaning
> the reins are so 
> > loose you're holding them by the buckle in the
> middle...
> 
> Thanks alot for the info. YOu have been very
> helpful. 
> 
>  
> Lynette Helgeson
> snowy North Dakota
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:28:13 EST
> From: Merryben@aol.com
> To: <guest@endurance.net>
> Subject: RC:   cliffhangers
> 
> kadence@ix.netcom.com
> 
> This is the only one I have for her now. But, I
> think it is right.  Your truck can visit my
> truck....The Vanilla Sky movie is tomorrow, are you
> in.
> 
> 
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> ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:30:34 -0500
> From: "Bany Cranmer" <giddyupbc@msn.com>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> CC: bludoglady@juno.com
> Subject: RC:  Re: Guaging the miles
> 

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color=#660099>Hi Lisa,</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif"
color=#660099>I'm new to this myself - only have done
two 25 mile CTR's earlier this year, but placed 2nd in
both &amp; my 19 yr old mare won Best Arab in the 2nd
ride... we train in our neighborhood (in south Fla)
&amp; I measured a 7 mile route in my car, then built
her up to be able to trot that in about an hour. If
you're training on trails, try marking just one mile
on a dirt road in your car &amp; see how long it takes
to trot that at your normal pace. You'll soon get a
feel for the mileage at each gait. Good luck &amp;
have fun!</FONT></P>
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<P>Hi folks,<BR> What is the least expensive, most
accurate way I can measure how many<BR>miles I am
doing?<BR> Thanks in advance.<BR>In His Hands,<BR>Lisa
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> ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:52:49 -0500 (EST)
> From: Lysane Cree <lysanec@yahoo.ca>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: RC:  Wool pads V. Dixie Midnight
> 
> --------------------------
> > > To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> > > Subject: RC:  Re: Re: Why WOOL? Pads  (Long)
> > > 
> > > Hi Ros and Mr. Karl ! and List -
> > > 
> > > For the kids and me, the absolute best is a
> > > combination of a pure wool pad
> > > and a vent pad, best of both worlds. Can't beat
> it
> > > with a stick<g>.
> > > 
> > > I even use the vent pad under my bareback pads,
> > > which are wool and wool
> > > felt.
> >  Cheryl in WNY
> > > Horse (pony) kids Kit, Bobby & Dani
> 
> Hi,  
> I was wondering about this - whether anyone was
> using
> both pads and whether it was too much of a good
> thing.
> It doesn't make too much padding under
> the
> saddle does it? I see that the DM is only 1/4 "
> thick.
> What about the wool pad?
> Lysane
> 
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> ATTACHMENT part 6 message/rfc822 
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:10:46 -0700
> From: "Annie George" <ageorge@vtc.net>
> To: "RideCamp" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: RC:  Back
> 
> Hi Y'all, I was off of Ride Camp  for awhile due to
> building onto my house, but all is finished now so
> I'm back on. Got caught up in my shop, ( almost)
> Steph, it's on the way! I am very happy to be
> planning my next ride. Haven't been out since Outlaw
> Trail, ( a great time there to by the way)  Still
> have saddles and still have girths. Check out the
> updated web. It's a ways off but I will be at
> Randy's 2 day at El Paso Jan 19 & 20. Its a great
> ride, great weather, lotsa fun.  Annie G. 
>  Anne George Saddlery   www.vtc.net/~ageorge   
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> ATTACHMENT part 7 message/rfc822 
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 08:24:15 -0800
> From: "Jeanne Slominski"
> <EnduranceMorgan1@attbi.com>
> To: "Lysane Cree" <lysanec@yahoo.ca>,
> <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: RC:  Re: Wool pads V. Dixie Midnight
> 
> I use the DM vent pad with a Toklat wool pad. I've
> done training rides, LDs, and 50 milers. Works
> great! No difference in feel, and the DM sure keeps
> the Toklat nice & clean.
> 
> Jeanne
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Lysane Cree 
>   To: ridecamp@endurance.net 
>   Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 7:52 AM
>   Subject: RC: Wool pads V. Dixie Midnight
> 
> 
> 
>   Hi,  
>   I was wondering about this - whether anyone was
>   using
>   both pads and whether it was too much of a good
> thing.
>   It doesn't make too much padding under
>   the
>   saddle does it? I see that the DM is only 1/4 "
>   thick.
>   What about the wool pad?
>   Lysane
> 
> 
>  
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> ATTACHMENT part 8 message/rfc822 
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 08:25:13 -0800
> From: "John Bass" <jbass@beattynv.com>
> To: <guest@endurance.net>, <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: RC:  Re: cliffhangers
> 
> On the first day of the Bryce Canyon XP about 10 or
> 12 miles into the ride
> you come upon a vista where you can virtually see
> forever. When you leave
> the vista, the trail is only about 9 inches wide for
> about 30 feet and the
> drop off is a couple thousand feet, one slip and you
> are history. This was
> my horse's second ride and my fourth, not much
> experience. As we were
> creeping along the trail I was thinking to myself
> that the ride manager
> could certainly find a safer trail. Not until I did
> the ride the next year
> did I realize that I was actually off trail. From
> the vista you need to turn
> around, go back to pick up the well marked ride
> trail . The trail I took the
> first year was a game trail. Live and learn.
> John
> Nevada
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <guest@endurance.net>
> To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 11:34 PM
> Subject: RC: cliffhangers
> 
> 
> > guest guest@endurance.net
> > i dont feel safe riding along narrow trails that
> drop off. anyone out
> > there get over this fear? And how?
> >
> >
> >
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