Re: Final response

["Cora" <bandc@teknett.com>]

GIVE IT UP TI...THIS IS OLD AND YOUR BEING SARCASTIC...DUH...CORA
----- Original Message -----
From: <Tivers@aol.com>
To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:52 PM
Subject: RC: Final response


> Let me ask you, Darolyn, and the other busy-bodies intent on bringing this
> person down--for whatever motive--what if you're dead wrong? Would that
make
> a difference at all to you? Or is it just the thrill of the hunt of a pack
of
> jackals that has meaning to you--if this one gets away, you'll find
another
> stray? Are you going to give us a big abject and humble apology like whats
> her name did, or are you just going to ignore the damage you've done to an
> honest and intelligent man?
>
> What if you're wrong? What if you actually found out the facts and it
turned
> out that you were wrong? So far, all you've done is run around quacking to
> one another, spreading what have to be lies just on the basis that you
don't
> know this guy, don't know his horse, and have not communicated with him
> closely over the past year.
>
> Far more has gone between Bill and I than has appeared on my list. We
worked
> together in private and it was my suggestion, not his, that he let people
> follow along with his training protocols on the list. By the way, have any
of
> you bothered to actually read what he has written, from the beginning?
Have
> you read the experiments that didn't work? Have you watched him adjust his
> protocols? I'm certain you haven't seen his day to day training plan, page
> after page, leading into 2002. I'm certain too that you haven't seen his
vet
> check cards. When then have you seen that convinces you that this guys
must
> be burned at the stake for the good of humankind?
>
> His workouts? A couple of them, laid out on the list? Are those
unbelievable?
> I can tell you, for sure, that they are nothing compared to what's going
on
> elsewhere. Bill's just getting started. So, are these frightening enough
that
> you have to publicly trash the man?
>
> You mentioned the details of his trailer rollover as being unbelievable.
To
> whom? The accident investigators? Are you checking with the hospital where
> he's getting his knee replaced right now? Or are you just assuming you
know
> something you don't and deciding, for whatever reason, to trash the guy?
>
> Some of you dullards have suggested that I'm trying to save my credibility
in
> defending Bill. Or, of all things, I'm worried about giving my products a
bad
> rep. This is probably the stupidest part of your little forays into
> fantasyland. All along I've recommended someone else's glycogen loader,
> Vita-Flex's CarboCharge, in discussions of carb supplementing. I've given
> away more product to Ridecampers than I'll ever sell because, to be
honest,
> you guys don't have the money--endurance is not a market for me. I deal
with
> racehorses and am only helping one client in endurance--on a consulting
> basis. If that client wants to use other products, it makes absolutely no
> difference to me.
>
> I was curious about a new product I'd developed for racehorses and Bill,
and
> many others, got free samples--an entire shipment of the stuff--just to
see
> what it did. I told them all to report back their findings on my
list--good
> or bad. Play with it, try in in different combinations and dosages and
report
> back. Bill gave the most detailed reports, but they mirrored the other
> reports--nothing unusual about his experience except that he took the time
to
> write detailed reports. I appreciated that. He went so far as to carry out
> experiments that others suggested might be interesting, among those
requests
> were some from Eleanor Kellon. He dutifully carried them out.
>
> My credibility? Hey, I'm just as stupid as the next guy. The difference
> between you and I, though, is that I want to learn. The real thing, Just
the
> facts. Not religions of various types--just the real stuff. What works and
> what doesn't. And I want those facts to be well-documented. Bill's facts
are
> well-documented. That they seem incredulous to you doesn't bother me at
> all--I just put it down to foggy thinking on your part--you have an agenda
> that fascinates you far more than the facts. Different strokes for
different
> folks.
>
> Credibility. Good lord.  I'm approaching 60 years old. I'm made. I'm done.
At
> this point I'm completely free to please no one but myself, my wife and my
> two dogs. And if any of you have ever read one of my books, you'll know
that
> popularity was never one of my goals.
>
> But still, in your abject stupidity, you've gone ahead and assigned these
> motives to me--because they reflect your own needs. It's you who want to
be
> popular; it's you who have products to sell to endurance people, it's you
who
> strive to be authoritative and demonstrate your know-all. And meanwhile,
> you're falling for every genuine hoax in the book.  Hey, have at it--I
just
> want to exchange solid information to the 2% of you who know what you're
> talking about.
>
> Biltmore was a revelation to me. Touted as one of the top US rides. I've
been
> to a few smaller rides in the US and to several overseas. Up to half the
> horses walked out of their trailers lame.  And I learned what "to finish
is
> to win" means. It means, to finish you'll do just about anything to your
> horses just to get those miles into the books. You bring an unfit, unready
> horse to a big ride and keep on going with him until he needs IVs to stay
> alive. Give me a break! This is professionalism at the top of a sport?  It
> seemed to me, the bigger the "name" the more trouble they were in before
the
> race even started.  I don't know the winner--but he definitely had a horse
> that was ready. Winners often deserve to win.
>
> So, I can understand why many of you are very sensitive about
"reputation".
> It's a sore point--like the preacher who's having an affair on the side.
You
> say one thing and you do another. You have to point the finger at somebody
> else. And, this time, you just happened to stumble on a victim who is a
> friend of mine.  Not only that, but your sanctimonious supposed
motivations
> are transparently false, as anyone with any sense can see.  And to top it
> off, you're dead wrong. Not that it matters to you at all. Jack Nicholson
> should have subtracted "honor", along with "logic and accountability".
>
> To conclude: except for what you're trying to do to Bill Proctor, I don't
> give a damn. Before any one of you ever asks anything from me again, let
me
> just preempt that request with "shove it".  He's a friend. He's telling
the
> truth. Those who say he is lying are liars themselves. They're much worse
> than liars. They're trying to crush someone who is doing things they can't
> wrap their little minds around.
>
> My company will no longer sell anything to a Ridecamper--only to those
> endurance people on my list--and I'm in the process of eliminating all the
> idiots from that list. There will be no further giveaways, no help, and no
> discussion from me on Ridecamp. You deserve each other.
>
>
> Tom Ivers, President
> Equine Racing Systems, Inc.
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