Re: RC: strongid daily

["Libby O'Quinn" <masndixn@hotmail.com>]

Heidi,
That is about the most imformative nonbashing argument that I have seen so 
far. All that you have said could very well be true. I was not aware of the 
details that you brought up but they do make sense to me. I think that the 
makers of strongid C should due an intensive study that centers endurance, 
race or other high metabolic sport horses. But this his not a new request 
for sure. Thanks for all the good info.
Libby



>From: CMKSAGEHIL@aol.com
>To: <masndixn@hotmail.com>, <truman.prevatt@netsrq.com>
>CC: <jkurtzhall@yahoo.com>, <ridecamp@endurance.net>
>Subject: Re: RC:  strongid daily
>Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:25:56 EDT
>
>In a message dated Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:10:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>"Libby O'Quinn" <masndixn@hotmail.com> writes:
>
><< I suppose all this is possible. Endurance does put a horse through alot 
>more
>than usual. I suppose it could be possible that under certain conditions
>this could pose a problem. I have been told that the wormers not absorbed 
>by
>the body so I don't see how it could cause these meltdowns that everybody 
>is
>talking about. I must believe that there is more than meets the eye in 
>these
>cases.>>
>
>OK, please understand that there is NO difinitive research on this subject, 
>so this is just speculation, but if I were going to propose a research 
>project, here is where I'd look...
>
>The colics that several of us have seen with the Strongid C horses are a 
>very specific type of colic called anterior enteritis, where the small 
>intestine kind of shuts down, and fluid refluxes back up into the stomach.  
>Untreated, the horse's stomach could actually rupture due to the pressure 
>of the fluid.  These sorts of colics are VERY uncommon, and since most 
>endurance horses are not on Strongid C, it has just seemed odd to some of 
>us that most of the horses in which we've seen this really rare sort of 
>colic have been on it.  While it is true that the Strongid C is not 
>absorbed into the body, it IS entirely possible that it either changes gut 
>flora in some way that predisposes the horse to this problem, or that it 
>has some effect locally in the gut that alters the digestive process in 
>some way.  A great many people report that horses on Strongid C get a sort 
>of "bloom" and gain weight when on it, even if the horses were not infested 
>with worms prior to going on it.  This fu!
>rther suggests to me that it cau
>ses some sort of local change in the gut itself that affects how nutrients 
>are absorbed in some small way, in addition to killing worms.
>
>This doesn't answer the question, but it helps to define the question that 
>needs to be addressed...
>
>Heidi
>
>
> >From: "Truman Prevatt, PhD" <truman.prevatt@netsrq.com>
> >Reply-To: truman.prevatt@netsrq.com
> >To: "Libby O'Quinn" <masndixn@hotmail.com>
> >CC: jkurtzhall@yahoo.com, ridecamp@endurance.net
> >Subject: Re: RC:  strongid daily
> >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:18:13 -0400
> >
> >The issue I see with the daily wormier is that while it was tested and
> >approved,
> >I sincerely doubt that it was tested where horses were put under the 
>types
> >of
> >metabolic stresses that endurance horses are put under. You can also bet
> >your
> >bippy that the manufacturer is not all that concerned if there are 
>problems
> >in a
> >very small portion of the equine population. It's a big buck maker from
> >them and
> >they do have stock holders to answer to who are only concered about the
> >bottom
> >line.
> >
> >There have been enough smoking guns - the only management change was the
> >daily
> >wormier - where a horse with no previous metabolic problems starts to get
> >metabolic problems that I choose not to use it if I'm riding a lot.  I do
> >and
> >have used it for periods of time, but not whild campaigning.
> >
> >My gut feeling is if experienced vets are swearing at it while others are
> >swearing by it, there is still an open question with endurance horses.
> >
> >Truman
> >
> >Libby O'Quinn wrote:
> >
> > > I have my horses on Strongid daily. Through my vets office the makers 
>of
> > > strongid have a program that both my horses are enrolled in. I have to
> > > purchase the wormer through my vet (documentation) but the makers will
> >pay
> > > for any colic related problems under this program....including any
> >surgery.
> > > I don't think a company would offer such a program if there was a real
> > > problem from this daily wormer. Sounds to me like a good way to go out
> >of
> > > business if there was any thing behind colic and strongid.
> > >
> > > >From: Jennifer Kurtzhall <jkurtzhall@yahoo.com>
> > > >To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> > > >Subject: RC:  strongid daily
> > > >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:09:38 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I've been reading the posts on ridecamp about the dangers of strongid
> >daily
> > > >and it happens to coincide with our spring vet visit.  A friend of 
>mine
> > > >(many, many miles of endurance) was asking the vet about keeping 
>weight
> >on
> > > >her endurance horse who tends to be a bit harder keeper than the 
>other
> > > >three she owns. Among other things, the vet suggested  strongid 
>daily,
> >this
> > > >person will not use it because of the things she's heard about it. I
> >later
> > > >asked the vet what he thought about the warnings we all hear about
> >strongid
> > > >daily, his reply was simply, "the horse doesn't absorb the daily
> >wormer,
> > > >that's why you give it every day." I am no scientist but that sounded
> >good
> > > >to me. My horse has been on it for about five years, three of those
> >years
> > > >he's been doing endurance. He's never had metabolic issues or
> >collicked,
> > > >it's just a one rat study but I feel fine giving it so far.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Jennifer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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