Re: Re: crops

["kristine hammond" <tinka@reno.quik.com>]

Tracey,
Your story about crops and dogs cracked me up!!!!  Keep it up.  I am waiting
for the day when my horse will be a pleasure on the ground.  As you know I
am doing more than waiting for it to happen-I am trying to make it happen.
Kriss
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tracey" <tracey@tbt.co.za>
To: "kristine hammond" <tinka@reno.quik.com>; "Sandy Bolinger"
<bolinger@bigsky.net>
Cc: "ridecamp" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: Re: crops


> Hi, Kristine.  You and your horse should come and ride with me and Toc.
I'm
> sure they were seperated at birth.  Fortunately, Toc is a pleasure to
handle
> on the ground, but with time, you'll get there.
>
>
> BTW, I'm dead jealous you can use your crop on your horse when he's acting
> up.  It's the one time I can't - he would deck me for sure!
>
>
> Tracey
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kristine hammond <tinka@reno.quik.com>
> To: Sandy Bolinger <bolinger@bigsky.net>
> Cc: ridecamp <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Date: 28 August 2000 05:42
> Subject: RC: Re: crops
>
>
> >Greetings Sandy,
> >Some of us use a crop to get their attention for the entire ride.  I have
a
> >horse off the arabian race track.  I have had him 2 years so far.....I am
> >still working on manners.  My crop is not to encourage forward movement,
> but
> >is a useful tool for gaining his attention, as discipline tool for
> enforcing
> >ground manners, and a "spanking stick" for those moments when the
> unexpected
> >buck occurs, or he decides to test the theory about not biting???  He is
> >also a very strong animal, physically and mentally.  I have found that he
> >does not tire.  He has almost as much energy after a 50 miler as before.
I
> >have never had a horse with his attitude before.  All of my previous
horses
> >have had the attitude of........."Now that I know what you want me to do,
I
> >want to do it."  In other words they responded to positive reinforcement,
> >words of praise, a treat, a pat and/or a Good Boy. This horse could care
> >less about positive reinforcement, as a matter of fact he seems to
respond
> >to it with some directed misbehavior.  Yes, I got him very cheaply off
the
> >track.  I have gotten a number of others very cheaply off the track
without
> >this attitude.  He has come a long ways-but still needs to go further. He
> >won a lot of money the first year on the track, but was pulled off the
> track
> >on the second year after 7 races-he "lost" his jockey in 6 of those
races.
> >I do not have the money to pay for the wonderful horse I would like to
> have,
> >and he was cheap.  I do think I can bring him around the rest of the way.
> >Why would I want to deal with  him????  He has absolutely outstanding
> >confirmation, 83/4in cannon bones, great hoofs, withers, neck, back,
etc.,
> >etc. Strangely enough he is also a very smart horse-and he learns very
> >quickly, and takes very good care of himself.  He is very careful with
his
> >hooves-never steps on anything, children, baby goats who wander between
his
> >back legs, or people who fall down in front of him.  He has a resting
heart
> >rate of 32, and never comes into a vet check with a heart rate of over
68.
> >He comes from a stable that is known for selling arabian horses back to
> >Arabia to further improve their breed, and has an incredible pedigree. He
> is
> >a gorgeous animal. I ride a lot at nighttime, usually by myself.  He is
> >great on these rides, very safe and reliable.  He also spent the first 15
> >miles of our first ride last year trying to buck me off.  He tries one
> thing
> >after another.  I have spent hours bringing him around to where I wanted
> him
> >to be.  Is he there yet????
> >NO!!!!!.  But he is much better.  If I do not continue to enforce the no
> >bucking, biting, no shying, etc. etc. rule with swift and effective
> >discipline I know we would go downhill fast.  He is the type of horse who
> >gets away something once-and it will take a month to stop it again.
> >No-he is not a killer.  But he needs to be controlled, and understand
that
> >certain behaviors will not, cannot be tolerated.  By carrying my crop I
am
> >reinforcing these ideas in his mind, as well as protecting other
> individuals
> >(horses and riders) from behavior which may be detrimental.  NO-he has
> never
> >kicked at a vet check, bitten another horse, menaced a human being.  I
> don't
> >think he will, But he might, and I, and those people I ride with heartily
> >approve of my actions.
> >Yes, I am the one who rides the whole race with a crop, a double bit, and
> >uses hobbles to saddle my horse.  I have spent hours retraining my horse,
> >but not all of it can be done at home!!!!
> >Sorry for being so long worded, but thank you for giving me the
opportunity
> >to explain my actions.
> >Kriss
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Sandy Bolinger" <bolinger@bigsky.net>
> >To: "ride" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> >Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:08 AM
> >Subject: RC: crops
> >
> >
> >> would someone please explain to me why a person would ride an endurance
> >ride
> >> with a crop???I've heard their explanation that they need to get the
> >horses
> >> attention ---especially at the beginning of the ride---which sounds
kind
> >of
> >> strange but...OK...whatever...but why would ANYONE need a crop the last
> 50
> >> miles of a ride???Surely you've managed to get your horses' attention
by
> >> then???(stallion owners need not reply);o]
> >>
> >>
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