Re: Re: biopsy

["Susan Garlinghouse" <suendavid@worldnet.att.net>]

Don't let the flying fur fool you.  Tom and I actually like each other, and
I for one, have tremendous respect for his knowledge.  We just enjoy getting
into it sometimes.  It's a blood sport kind of thing.  :-)

Susan G

----- Original Message -----
From: Kathy Mayeda <kathy_mayeda@atce.com>
To: <Tivers@aol.com>; <suendavid@worldnet.att.net>
Cc: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 1:37 PM
Subject: RE: Re: biopsy


> After all that fur flying before, this is a real refreshing post.
> The discussion was real stimulating, but sometimes in the wrong way!
>
> It was hard for me to discern what was just ego puffing and what was
> real discussion before.  And there was a lot of "hair-splitting" over
> terminology which could have been more rationally explained to us
> "non-biotic" people.
>
> I have nothing scientific to contribute, but I am very interested in
> results of all the studies presented here on Ridecamp.  Please, both
> of you continue posting.  Just listen to Prudence once in awhile!!!!
>
> K.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tivers@aol.com [mailto:Tivers@aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 8:57 AM
> To: suendavid@worldnet.att.net
> Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: RC: Re: biopsy
>
>
> In a message dated 7/27/00 8:25:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> suendavid@worldnet.att.net writes:
>
> << Agreed about bloodwork---so, help me out, Tom.  At Swanton, we're
> going to
>  collect for e'lytes, blood gases, glucose, enzymes, lactates, insulin,
> FFAs,
>  cortisol, and maybe glucagon.  Also hematocrit, RBCs, WBCs, total
> proteins
>  and the rest of the usual CBC panel stuff.  Plus rider weight, equine
>  weight, condition score and digital photos to potentially analyze for
> joint
>  angles and bone lengths, etc if I can get the software to work.  All of
> this
>  before the ride, at 35 and 69 miles and after the finish.
>
>  What would *you* add to the analysis parameters, given I can't do
> biopsies?
>  (Seriously).
>
>  Susan G >>
>
>
> Looks like you've got the blood covered. Ketones might be useful. Sure
> would
> be nice to get an actual adipose tissue measurement of some kind.
> Bilirubin/monocytes/AST should be looked at closely for an
> overtrained/underfed condition. Resting pulse, if remotely possible to
> get
> under those circumstances. Usual vet check.
>
> Shoe types/pads would be interesting. 2 lbs down there is worth 10-15
> above.
> If you take pics, conformational-style would be good. Hoof angles and
> toe
> lengths--you can go to a builder's supply and get a roofer's  "angle
> finder"
> for taking quick hoof angles.
>
> If you send me a copy of the raw data, I promise I'll read it.
>
> ti
>
>
>
>
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