RE: Re: biopsy

["Kathy Mayeda" <kathy_mayeda@atce.com>]

After all that fur flying before, this is a real refreshing post.
The discussion was real stimulating, but sometimes in the wrong way!

It was hard for me to discern what was just ego puffing and what was
real discussion before.  And there was a lot of "hair-splitting" over
terminology which could have been more rationally explained to us
"non-biotic" people.

I have nothing scientific to contribute, but I am very interested in
results of all the studies presented here on Ridecamp.  Please, both
of you continue posting.  Just listen to Prudence once in awhile!!!!

K.


-----Original Message-----
From: Tivers@aol.com [mailto:Tivers@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 8:57 AM
To: suendavid@worldnet.att.net
Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: RC: Re: biopsy


In a message dated 7/27/00 8:25:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
suendavid@worldnet.att.net writes:

<< Agreed about bloodwork---so, help me out, Tom.  At Swanton, we're
going to
 collect for e'lytes, blood gases, glucose, enzymes, lactates, insulin,
FFAs,
 cortisol, and maybe glucagon.  Also hematocrit, RBCs, WBCs, total
proteins
 and the rest of the usual CBC panel stuff.  Plus rider weight, equine
 weight, condition score and digital photos to potentially analyze for
joint
 angles and bone lengths, etc if I can get the software to work.  All of
this
 before the ride, at 35 and 69 miles and after the finish.
 
 What would *you* add to the analysis parameters, given I can't do
biopsies?
 (Seriously).
 
 Susan G >>


Looks like you've got the blood covered. Ketones might be useful. Sure
would 
be nice to get an actual adipose tissue measurement of some kind. 
Bilirubin/monocytes/AST should be looked at closely for an 
overtrained/underfed condition. Resting pulse, if remotely possible to
get 
under those circumstances. Usual vet check. 

Shoe types/pads would be interesting. 2 lbs down there is worth 10-15
above.  
If you take pics, conformational-style would be good. Hoof angles and
toe 
lengths--you can go to a builder's supply and get a roofer's  "angle
finder" 
for taking quick hoof angles.

If you send me a copy of the raw data, I promise I'll read it.

ti 

  


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