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Barb Peck bpeck@together.net Barb Peck bpeck@together.net Tracey: Did you have all 4 molars pulled? I assume because he was taking ahold of the bit with his teeth? You said he has a shallow palet. If this is coupled with a fat tongue: when you use a loose ring broken (snaffle) mouth piece with a dropped nose band it's going to jab his palet when you pull on the reins (if his head is where you want it to be.) A horse learns that if his head is raised, broken at the poll, with parallel to the ground, nose up.. "star gazing" exactly the opposite of what you want) there's less jab on his palet. If, as you describe "it's like pulling on concrete", then I bet his neck is rigid and you can't turn him left or right either. Well... depending on how long he's been going like this (years or months?) will probably determined whether you can "train" him out of it. He already knows how to evade quite nicely, and it's hard to know whether to go to a more severe bit or not. You need to know your horse here.... a restricted head + more mouth pain sometimes = being bucked off or flipped over. So before I tied his mouth shut, or and or/restrict his head, I'd try a Mullen-mouthed straight bar bit, or Dr. Bristol, or french link snaffle.. If those don't work then I'd try a hackamore. Not one of those 9" shanked bike chain nose band jobbies you can break their nose with, but maybe a 6"-7" shank, with a flat linked chain curb strap, wide leather noseband. Good luck. Barb
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