RE: RE: Self contained camper

["Kathy Mayeda" <kathy_mayeda@atce.com>]

My feeling is:  TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT.  I think that both the ride
management should have been more pro-active, and the whole policy of
self-containment and Rambo like activities should be heavily taken to task.
I find it real weird that the ride management has not come out and stated
anything, yet we were issued a statement from the Rangers office.  They
either must feel real guilty, don't care, or scared to death to say
anything.


-----Original Message-----
From:	guest@endurance.net [mailto:guest@endurance.net]
Sent:	Friday, May 05, 2000 1:49 PM
To:	ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject:	RC:  RE: Self contained camper

Jessica Tuteur jessicat@napanet.net
You are right Heidi, nothing excuses the raid. Tempers
flared after 2 years of being "ignored". But that is the
RMs fault as well, don't you agree? The definition of
self contained is irrelevant here.

I was there this year and last year and it is total BS to
blame anyone but the RMs. THEY made it out to be no big
deal that the rangers CAME to the ride meeting and told
everyone about the rule and warned that htye would be
inspecting during the night. RMs said nothing, didn't
encourage riders to comply or assist them in making
other arrangements. WHOSE responsibility is it to
provide adequate camping facilities=RMs. Whose
responsibility is it to tell THEIR participants of
ANY AND ALL rules in the camping area=RMs.

People were forcibly evicted last year....
no one said a word.

It is my opinion that the RMs should have to pay the
riders back for the fines that were levied and that
AERC should "discipline" the RMs for their total lack
of preparedness for the disaster. Regardless of the
rangers tactics!

Jessica





At 04:25 PM 5/5/00 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 5/5/00 1:10:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>guest@endurance.net writes:
>
><< Unfortunately that was not good enough. Several
> people had porta potties in their horsetrailers.
> They were looking for real RV type accomodations.
>
> And again...this is way off the point that it should
> have never happened in the first place. RMs knew about
> the situation and chose to ignore it. What more
> is to be said???? >>
>
>"Chose to ignore" is pretty one-sided.  More like did not address
adequately.
> The "what more" has been said several times, so no point in repeating
it.
>
>As to self-contained--had ride management sent me a great big memo
saying I
>had to be self contained, I would have happily driven down with my
gooseneck
>with homemade LQ which contains a portapotty with more than sufficient
>capacity for the weekend and the little hose and collapsible 5-gallon
>container that hooks onto the outlet of my sink.  Fits virtually every
>definition of "self-contained" I've ever met, and I've stayed in some
pretty
>"urban" places in that thing!  Gol-lee, I'd've been thrown out on my
ear,
>right along with the rest of the folks who were told earlier that they
met
>the definition in the daylight and got thrown out in the middle of the
night.
>
>Once again--the fact that the RM may not have done exactly right still
DOES
>NOT excuse this sort of raid!
>
>Heidi
>
>



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