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RE: RE: Teeth:

I haven't really checked, but the vets do not
make these tranquilizers available to people for them to
administer to their horses themselves, as far as I can tell. 

I just know that the dental technicians
who were using tranqs on their client's horses are doing
it illegally by California law.  We are talking needles.

I don't know what kind of tranquilizers you are able
to use in Michigan, but it really doesn't matter to me.
Just consider yourself lucky and leave it at that.  And depending
on the procedure, general anesthesia may be required (which Beau
had the first time), just like humans.  And Beau is not a "wild"
horse, thank you.  He is well behaved and well handled, but he
was in need of some massive dental work that probably required
a lot more work than your horses require.  Again, just consider
yourself lucky and hope that you never have to deal with these
problems as I have, and that Michigan is not as "professionally
intensive" as California is, where the high percentage of professionals
make it illegal for us to do a lot of things because of our
"Professional and Business Practice Codes".  And we also have
a plethora of equine bodyworkers and dressage coaches who are
a lot more sensitive and aware of equine dental stuff than just
simple floating for "weight - loss" issues.  It's just that
the demand for equine dentists exceeds the supply here, and the
few equine dentists that are DVM's are not close by and their
practices are so busy, they don't have to travel at all.  

I know people who call their vet for tranquilizing before
farrier work!  (Beau is remarkably well-behaved for farriers,
so you can't label him a "difficult" horse.) So each shoeing
must cost at least 2x a normal shoeing would which is already
too inflated here the San Francisco Bay Area.  But these people's
other horse is a Mercedes Benz.

So let's face it, I could say some unkind words about backwoods
Michigan, and you could flame California all you want, but we
do live in two different states, with two different economies
and two different states of minds.  But the good thing is that
we can share our experiences and compare notes on this crazy
thing called RideCamp.


P.S.  Let's start another subject - I just wore myself out on
this one!  Plus I am cranky with a cold and spending time at
clinics and work and not riding......

-----Original Message-----
From: Maggie Mieske []
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 4:47 PM
To:; 'Douglas M Gifford';
Subject: Re: RE: Teeth:

Illegal to
> give the type of tranqs used unless you're a vet.
Illegal for a person to give their own horse a tranquilizer?  It's commonly
done in our area.

Maggie Mieske
Mieske's Silver Lining
10601 S. Richards Rd.
McBain, Michigan 49657

> From: Kathy Mayeda <>
> To: 'Maggie Mieske' <>; 'Douglas M Gifford'
> Subject: RE: RE: Teeth:
> Date: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 2:27 PM
> Last time my horse was worked on he required three doses of tranqs
> by the vet.  It depends on the horse and the type of work needed.
> My friends Morgan doesn't need tranqs at all!  And my guy is usually
> a pretty good guy about things - just not detnal work!  Illegal to
> give the type of tranqs used unless you're a vet.
> Kathy.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Maggie Mieske []
> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 4:54 PM
> To:; 'Douglas M Gifford';
> Subject: Re: RE: Teeth:
> Doesn't anyone give tranquilizers themselves?  It would be difficult to
> a vet to come out here to just give a tranquilizer. 

 Sometimes owners
> call the vet to get one to give a particularly difficult horse (ie., the
> mustang mare who had rarely been handled or the yearling Belgians who had
> NEVER been trimmed).  Anyway, our dentist is wonderful and does not need
> use tranquilizers.  Guess I'll count our blessings on that!
> Maggie Mieske
> Mieske's Silver Lining
> 10601 S. Richards Rd.
> McBain, Michigan 49657
> ----------
> > From: Kathy Mayeda <>
> > To: 'Douglas M Gifford' <>;
> > Subject: RC:  RE: Teeth:
> > Date: Friday, March 10, 2000 12:42 PM
> > 
> > In our area, the equine dentists are usually not vets.  So it
> > requires the vet to come out with the tranqs.  You are right
> > about individual owners choice!  I've had equine dentists
> > come out and work on my horse and use tranquilizers (illegally
> > without vets before I knew better) and the regular vet.
> > I'm still looking for "super dentist".
> > 
> > Kathy
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Douglas M Gifford []
> > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 4:26 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: RC: Teeth:
> > 
> > 
> > How many hours does it take for the Equine dentist to
> > get their certification?  (or do states require this)
> > Is an equine dentist a specialized vet? How can they give tranquilizers
> > if needed if  they are not? I know that we have had the discussion of
> > non
> > vets giving
> > tranquilizers before and no one liked that idea!
> > I am of the opinion that you should be aware of your vet's
> > talents and weak points of their practice.
> > My personal vet for the horses is very good at Accupressure
> > and Chiropractic treatments as well as other issues but I am
> > not certain that he is good at dental work as I had another vet work
> > on my gelding as I posted before. My gelding has put on alot of
> > weight and does not drop his feed as he did before. He 
> > also responds 90% better to my hands on the bit. I think you
> > have to asses the availability of equine dentists in your area and 
> > the talents of the vets that you work with on a closer basis.  In other
> > words there
> > are pros and cons to each and it is the individuals owners choice.
> > 
> > Pat and Razzel in Kansas
> > 
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