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At 07:20 PM 10/22/97 -0700, you wrote:
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>ridecamp-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 699
>
>Today's Topics:
> Re: Sport Saddles Advice
> RE: Song (fwd)
> Re: dryland distemper
> Re: itching all over (FL)
> hunter's bump?
> Carbs (long)
> Re: rainrot/scratches
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>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 07:58:17 PDT
>From: "Sullys Maze" <Sully@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
>To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>Subject: Re: Sport Saddles Advice
>Message-Id: <199710221459.HAA24140@fsr.com>
>
>REPLY TO 10/21/97 09:57 FROM ridecamp@endurance.net: Sport Saddles Advice
>
>
> Two or three people asked questions about Sport Saddles and wether
> they would fit this or that type of back. Thought I'd offer up my
> experience. I got the chance to borrow an older SS last year to try
>
> out on my mutton withered, wide flat backed gelding. This was the
> older model with the nylon fabric on the bottom. It fit him well,
>was
> plenty wide. I could see that this model would not fit a really
>high
> withered horse. It was too wide in the front tree and not high
>enough
> in the gullet. I ordered a SS and after 3 months it arrived. It
>wasn't
> the same saddle. It had a fleeced bottom to the panels but it was
> higher in the gullet and would definitely be a better fit for high
> withers than the older model. Although I was told that the only
> difference between the two saddle was the fleece I know that the
>one
> saddle fit my table top Arab and the one I bought (of course) was a
>
> bit too narrow. I denied it for months but it became obvious.
>
> So, if you have a horse with signifcant withers the present model
>will
> probably do you fine. It will conform down into a "swayed" or
>curved
> back quite nicely. I've seen a few TB's over the years that have
>high
> knife-like withers that could use this saddle but those are few and
>
> far between. If however you have a really wide withered horse you
>may
> find like me that the standard SS is too narrow in the front
> fork/tree. It may be possible to get a wider fork made for you or
> possibly you could find a used older model to try/buy.
>
>
> Bonnie Snodgrass
>----------
>Bonnie,
>
>I left your post mostly entire, since I want to adress this, and
>possible Karen Chaton can also respond. I am concerned that some
>mis-information may be spread, regarding the change in configuration
>of this saddle.
>
>I understand what you are saying, since I own one of the older,
>nylon
>bottom models (which seems more flexible), and also a newer one,
>which has the fleece, the higher front, and seems a bit stiffer.
>
>When I got the new saddle, my first impression was that it was
>indeed narrower in the front, compared to my older-nylon botton
>one. They certainly are making the front peak higher under the
>pommel; I can't get my hand through as easily as in my older saddle.
>
>BUT after a lot of scrutiny and mesuring, I am not convinced that
>there is any difference in the width of the pommels-it just LOOKS
>that way. The measurements between the base of the pommels are
>the same, as far as I can tell. The new saddle was pretty stiff,
>but seems to be breaking in some.
>
>I think the main change may be to the seat; since it peaks up
>higher, it "rises" in front a little sooner (the entire seat is not
>so flat). The problem for me has been that since I ordered fairly
>snug seats, it is a bit uncomfortable. I am hoping that my
>weight will squash down this part of the seat. Had I known of this
>change, I probably would have ordered a slightly larger seat.
>
>Anyway, the saddle still fits my horses the same, far as I can tell,
>despite the higher peak.
>
>Karen
>
>To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>
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>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:15:13 -0700
>From: "Suzanne J. Griffin" <FIT-TO-RUB@worldnet.att.net>
>To: "'Pam Haynes'" <PHaynes@compuserve.com>
>Cc: "'ridecamp@endurance.net'" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
>Subject: RE: Song (fwd)
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>Yee Ha!
>
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>From: Pam Haynes[SMTP:PHaynes@compuserve.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 9:15 PM
>To: INTERNET:ridecamp@endurance.net
>Subject: CTR: Song (fwd)
>
>Here is the original post as I have it stored:
>
>From:
> Bill & Dee Fortner <wfortner@peop.tds.net>
> To:
> ridecamp@endurance.net
>
>Hi all,
> My husband, Bill, created this little ditty and I thought you might
>enjoy it ... sexist though he is. I guess I didn't give him enough to
>do. <g>
>
>Dee Fortner
>NE Alabama
>
>THE HORSE LOVER'S LAMENT (Sung to the tune of "Rawhide")
>
>Ridin', ridin', ridin,
>Oh, how I do love ridin'
>Can't get enough horse ridin'
>RAWHIDE
>
>In any kind of weather,
>My ass is cravin' leather,
>I can not wait until I get to ride!
>It's ALWAYS such a pleasure;
>A joy I can not measure.
>It does such wondrus things to me inside!
>
>Moanin', moanin', moanin'
>Yes my ass is swollen
>In just 3 miles I'm groanin'
>RAWHIDE
>
>This buck, crowhop, and flutter
>Has turned my legs to butter
>I'm wishing that I had already died.
>All the things I'm missin'
>My soap op'ras and dishes
>Like a dream are passin' by my eyes.
>
>Runnin', jumpin', leapin'
>Yes my eyes are weepin'
>I wish I were home sleepin'
>RAWHIDE
>
>Blazin' way past lopin'
>My lycra jeans are smokin'
>Amazing! Since I think they're soaked in brine.
>My heart is palpatatin'
>My liver's dislocatin'
>My God! I just got strangled by a vine.
>
>Bitchin', bitchin', bitchin'
>Now my crotch is itchin'
>I could be home a stitchin'
>RAWHIDE
>
>Horse did a "Snowy River"
>MID AIR! My heart's a quiver
>Damn fool thinks that he's an aeroplane!
>Though I am still a sailin'
>My altitude is failin'
>I think this horse is totally insane!
>
>Prayin', prayin', prayin'
>It's too late for sayin'
>I wish I was home playin'
>RAWHIDE
>
>My raspy throat's a thirstin'
>My drawers are filled to burstin'
>Head to toe I know I'm black and blue.
>I'll say this on the level,
>If I survive I'm thinking barbecue!
>
>Cussin', cussin', cussin',
>I'm eloquently cussin',
>I need NEW words for cussin',
>RAWHIDE
>
>There's one thing I'm a hatin'
>There'll be no procreatin'
>I just landed on the saddle horn!
>The pain's excrutiatin'
>No ambulance a waitin'
>I curse the day that I was ever born.
>
>Whinin', whinin', whinin'
>My poor heart is pinin'
>I could have been out dinin'
>RAWHIDE
>
>Hell bent through briar and thicket,
>O'er barbed wire, post, and picket,
>I'm clinging for dear life as on we fly.
>If I can find the stable,
>And get off if I'm able,
>I'll never ride again and that's no lie!
>
>Seein', seein', seein',
>I can't believe I'm seein'
>Yes my eyes are seein'
>THE BARN
>
>Around the bend I see it!
>Too fast to stop! Oh sheyut!
>I'm in the air again ... this time alone!
>A triple flip 'fore landin',
>Then on my feet a standin'.
>A SUPER RIDE it was now that I'm home!!!
>
>Chorus:
>Horse broke wind! What a stink!
>Oh my back! Broke I think!
>Broke a nail! Need a drink!
>RAWHIDE
>Lost a spur, banged my knee,
>Bumped my head ... on a tree,
>Mercy sakes! Woe is me!
>RAWHIDE
>
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>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:48:01 -0700
>From: Lauren Horn <fourhorn@fea.net>
>To: Don and Jennifer <dandj@thevision.net>
>CC: ridecamp@endurance.net
>Subject: Re: dryland distemper
>Message-ID: <344E2E41.5B04@fea.net>
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>Is Dryland Distemper the same as Valley Fever, which is common in the
>central valley of California?
>
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>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 12:54:23 -0700
>From: rtsantana@ucdavis.edu
>To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>Subject: Re: itching all over (FL)
>Message-Id: <199710221953.MAA23775@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu>
>
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>>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:45:58 -0400 (EDT)
>>From: Cyberpony@aol.com
>>To: Carol.Boardman@dartmouth.edu
>>cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
>>Subject: Re: itching all over (FL)
>>Message-ID: <971021082225_-467674554@emout18.mail.aol.com>
>
>>Carol~
>
>>In your post you asked me:
>
>><<Does your horse by any chance scrub his belly as well so that the area
>>from girth line to his sheath is all scabby and itchy? If so, he may
>>have a fly (gnat) allergy.>>
>
>>He has only a slight scabby spot on his belly. It's never gotten too
>>bad.
>> But I believe that the mane & tail rubbing are connected to the scabby
>>belly. And they are all connected to the fly (gnat) allergy. I was told
>>that the gnats are active from one hour before to one hour after dawn and
>>dusk. It was suggested (by a friend) that I keep a fly mask on my horse
>>between those hours and the itchy mane and tail problem would go away.
>>It did!! :-) There is supose to be some connection between the gnats
>>around the eyes that set up an allergic reaction that cause the horse to
>>itch in the mane, tail & belly areas. It didn't make a lot of sense to
>>me, but I figured that I had $12 to spend on a fly mask and would give it
>>a try. I'm so glad I did. Maybe it would work for your horse too. I
>>just leave the fly mask on my horse all the time (except when I ride him)
>>during the warm months of the year.
>
>>Thanks for you suggestion of the garlic & Vaseline.
>
>>~Nora
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>
>Nora,
>What does your vet have to say about this condition?
>I would be talking to mine about now.
>----------------------------------------------------
>Raymond Santana
>Network Operations
>UC Davis Medical Center
>Sacramento, CA
>rtsantana@ucdavis.edu or
>raymond.santana@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu
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>
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>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:59:17 -0700
>From: nevadaghostridr@webtv.net (L Eisele)
>To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>Subject: hunter's bump?
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> Does anyone know what a hunter's bump or hump is? and if it will
>effect the career of an endurance horse?
> Our youngster and his half brother who is only 2 and unbroke both
>have a raised area of the spine, about 4" long just in front of the hip,
>not real bad but visible.
> Our farrier told us it was a hunter's bump. Most be heriditary as
>they are brothers and both have it. How is this different from roach
>back? Thankyou for any help. Linda
>
>Linda Eisele & Sareei and
>hubby, Allen and the Iceman
>nevadaghostridr@webtv.net
>
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>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:57:03 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Tivers@aol.com
>To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>Subject: Carbs (long)
>Message-ID: <971022185621_-1527217707@emout05.mail.aol.com>
>
>Here's part of an interesting article that my friend, Rob Lyden, at Nike
>passed on to me.
>
>CARBOHYDRATES? They aren't that simple!
> Louise M Burke, Australian Institute of Sport, Canberra, Australia
>
>
>Nutritionists like me have succeeded in convincing athletes to think of
>carbohydrates as their best fuel source. What they may not recognize
>is that carbohydrates cannot be lumped into one category. Most
>athletes have even heard that there are simple and complex
>carbohydrates. However, pardon the pun, carbohydrates are more
>complex than that. When it comes to planning their training meals,
>athletes need to understand and use the glycemic index.
>
>For years, carbohydrate sources have been labeled as simple
>(containing sugars like glucose and sucrose) or complex (containing
>fiber and starch) based on the structure of the main carbohydrate.
>Simple carbohydrate foods have been charged with causing large and
>rapid changes in blood glucose. They are alleged to cause a rapid rise
>followed by a rapid and often greater fall - this is known as rebound
>hypoglycemia or the "sugar blues". Simple carbohydrates have also
>been considered to be lacking in nutrient value. On the other hand, it
>has been believed that the digestion and absorption of complex
>carbohydrate foods is slower, producing a flatter and more sustained
>blood glucose and insulin response. Complex carbohydrate foods have
>also been regarded as being more "healthy" or "nutritious".
>
>While this classification system may have been developed as a quick
>education tool for the lay person, it has become a major headache for
>nutritionists. Because we now know that the effect of specific
>carbohydrate foods on the blood glucose response is neither simple
>nor predictable.
>
>During the 1970s, diabetes specialists were amazed to find that simple
>carbohydrate foods did not always produce the high and short-lived
>blood glucose responses traditionally attributed to them. For example,
>fruit and sweetened dairy products produce a flattened blood glucose
>curve when they are eaten. The old no-no, sugar (sucrose), has a
>medium blood sugar profile. Curiously, some foods high in complex
>carbohydrates (e.g. bread and potatoes) produce a rapid blood
>glucose response, similar to that following the ingestion of glucose
>itself. Even the presence of dietary fiber in foods does not always delay
>absorption and flatten the after-meal blood glucose curve. For
>example, blood glucose responses to whole-grain breads are similar to
>those after eating white bread. The glycemic index (GI) was introduced
>in the early 1980s to classify the real effects of carbohydrate-rich
>foods on blood glucose levels. The GI is a ranking of foods based on
>their measured blood glucose response compared to that following a
>standard food. In some laboratories the standard food is glucose, while
>other scientists prefer to use white bread.
>
>Tables of the glycemic index of a large number of carbohydrate-rich
>foods have now been published internationally. The numbers vary
>according to who measured them and the exact type of food. For
>example, there are a lot of different types of "white bread" in the world.
>And even things like potatoes and rice come in a variety of plant types.
>Each has a slightly different GI. Generally, nutritionists now divide
>foods into those that have a high GI (bread, potatoes, breakfast cereal,
>glucose-based sports drinks), a moderate GI (sugar, soft drinks,
>tropical fruit) or a low GI (dairy foods, lentils, legumes, oats, cold
>climate fruits such as apples). Some foods sit on the borderline, but this
>is not really a problem. The real interest is in foods that are extremely
>different in their GI. And the real message is that there is no way to
>predict blood glucose responses to eating specific foods without these
>actual measures.
>
>Now that we know the effect of specific food items on blood glucose
>responses, we can advise people who want to control their blood
>glucose profiles during the day or after meals. In other words, you can
>eat the same amount of carbohydrate, but manipulate whether you
>want blood glucose spikes during the day (eat high and moderate GI
>foods), or a more even level (low GI foods). Diabetics are a classic
>example of a population that benefits from tight control of blood
>glucose and low GI foods. People with high blood lipid levels may also
>benefit from being able to achieve a more even blood glucose profile
>that has smaller rises and falls during the day. The glycemic index may
>also be a useful tool in weight control, since low GI foods have
>recently been shown to produce a longer-lasting "satisfaction" after
>meals - you don't feel hungry quite so soon. A recently published
>book, The G.I. Factor, has made this information widely accessible.
>
>Some people have quickly grabbed on to the idea that altering the GI
>of specific meals or the training diet may influence training and
>performance. The focus is on optimizing the muscle carbohydrate fuel
>sources, particularly for prolonged moderate-intensity exercise.
>Research at the Australian Institute of Sport, in conjunction with
>researchers at Deakin University and University of Melbourne, has
>examined the use of GI in sport. The following guidelines are drawn
>from this research.
>
>1. The glycemic index may be useful in sport and deserves further
>attention. However, it is not intended to provide a single way to rank
>the virtues of carbohydrate foods. There are many other features of
>foods which may be of value to the athlete, such as nutritional value or
>practicality. Sometimes foods need to be chosen because they are
>tasty, portable, cheap, easy to prepare and unlikely to cause stomach
>upsets. These issue are specific to the individual and the exercise
>situation. In other words, foods must always be chosen to fit the "Big
>Picture" and not one single issue. In the case of food eaten before or
>during exercise, the athlete should practice any strategies in training so
>that they can be assessed and fine-tuned.
>
>2. Despite early speculation, there is insufficient evidence to support
>the statement that all athletes will benefit from eating low GI
>carbohydrate meals prior to prolonged exercise. The idea is that a
>more sustained glucose response might sustain fuel and performance.
>In fact, in sports events where carbohydrate stores can become
>depleted, the typical way to sustain the carbohydrate supply during
>exercise is to consume carbohydrate during the event. The athlete
>should let practical issues and individual experience guide the choice of
>a pre-event meal. You may happen to like a carbohydrate food that is
>low GI (e.g. pasta), or you may find that your choices tend to foods
>with a high glycemic index such as rice, breakfast cereal, toast. Both
>choices can work.
>
>3. For specific individuals or during unique training situations, a low GI
>pre-event meal may be of particular benefit. Some athletes show an
>exaggerated and negative response when they eat carbohydrate foods
>in the hour before exercise. About 5% of the population experience a
>rebound hypoglycemia or blood sugar drop - and they feel terrible.
>Why this response occurs in some people is unknown. During unusual
>endurance sessions such as open water swimming where practical
>difficulties prevent the athlete from consuming carbohydrate during the
>session, the pre-event meal may have greater bearing on metabolism
>and fuel availability during the event, and a low GI carbohydrate meal
>may sustain blood glucose, and performance.
>
>4. Athletes performing prolonged exercise should consume
>carbohydrate during the event to supply additional fuel and thereby
>enhance their performance. Which carbohydrate drink or food to
>consume depends generally on their previous experience, the logistics
>of the event, gastrointestinal comfort and the need for fluid
>replacement. A carbohydrate source of moderate to high GI appears
>to be sensible - such as a glucose-based sports drink. However,
>practical issues and individual tastes are more important than GI when
>choosing a carbohydrate source for prolonged exercise situations
>
>5. Moderate and high GI carbohydrate foods appear to enhance
>glycogen recovery after exercise compared with low GI foods. The
>reason for this is not clear. The most important point, however, in post
>exercise refueling is to eat enough total carbohydrate. We give
>recommendations to athletes about how much carbohydrate they
>should consume immediately after exercise and throughout the day to
>meet their refueling needs. Foods must be available and appetizing to
>the athlete so that these recommendations can be met. It is OK to let
>some favorite low GI carbohydrate foods contribute to total fuel intake
>- especially if these are foods that are handy and easy to eat.
>However, it makes sense to focus on carbohydrate foods and drinks
>with a moderate to high GI for glycogen recovery. The overall
>message: choose what is practical.
>
>Brand Miller, J., Foster-Powell, K., & Colagiuri, S.(1996). The G.I.
>Factor: The Glycaemic Index Solution. Sydney, Australia: Hodder and
>Stoughton.
>
>ti
>
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>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:15:38 -0400 (EDT)
>From: VMAXEPT@aol.com
>To: trailriding@cwa.com, ridecamp@endurance.net
>Subject: Re: rainrot/scratches
>Message-ID: <971022221538_1210614862@mrin45.mail.aol.com>
>
>Rain Rot and Scratches.
>
>I have tried all the most common stuff
>The best fix and cure.. had been homeopathic.
>
>Calendula - marragold flowers
>Hypericum
>Tea Tree oil
>
>There are creams and onitments.
>Hilton Herb - PHYTOBALM is one that is very good.. a little goes a long
>way..
>
>Calendula.. Onitment and tinture washes are great.
>
>I have given the pill remidies also.. Calendula and Hypercuim 30c
>
>My book also indicates - Rhus Tox 30, Calc Carb 30 and Thuja 30 . I have not
>used these yet. As I have been able to get a cure with topical treatments.
>
>Now you can get the made stuff from us..we sell pills, cream onitments...
> but you can make it your self..CHEAP
>
>Next year grow a mess of gold pot marrigolds.
>Pick flowers in full bloom in the pm.
>Rip up the flower - petals in a jar.
>Cover with rubbing alcohol about 2 inch over the top.
>Sit in Sun for one day,
>Move to a warm dark place -
>let sit for 2 to 3 weeks.. Shake every week
>
>Strain off the flower parts.. press in hand in a cloth..
>Now you have a mother tinture.. called a 20 percent
>
>I mix with baby oil and or aloe juice.. so I can put it in a sprayer.
>
>Mix 2 oz of the tinture with 16 oz of aloe and baby oil..
>
>shake the mix for about 5 minutes..
>
>Spray on horse and rub into skin.
>
>make sure you shake it up before each use.
>
>Keep you main tinture base in DARK bottles well sealed.. I use wine bottles.
>Keep out of light.
>
>I have about 2 gallons of this stuff made up.. should last all winter.
>I mix up only small batches in a spray bottle..
>
>Spray it on cuts.. rot scratches what ever needs healing..
>give the pills if you get a bad case..
>and you can put some of the tinture in a small dark dropper bottle.. and
>place a few drops on the bad areas and let it soak in.
>
>Roger R
>
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