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> From: ridecamp-d-request@endurance.net
> To: ridecamp-d@endurance.net
> Subject: ridecamp-d Digest V97 #335
> Date: Thursday, May 15, 1997 8:20 AM
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> ridecamp-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 335
>
> Today's Topics:
> 02:ridecamp-d Digest V97 #331
> 03:ridecamp-d Digest V97 #331
> Arabian mane length....
> Natural Balance hoof
> Re: natural fly spray?
> Re: Natural Balance hoof
> Bloodlines please continue
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: 14 May 97 14:04:34 +0100
> From: ridecamp-d-request@endurance.net (ridecamp-d-request@endurance.net)
> To: endurance@moscow.com
> Subject: 02:ridecamp-d Digest V97 #331
> Message-Id: <4c3_9705150126@swimsuit.roskildebc.dk>
>
> training and conditioning. Yes, finding the horse at the upper end of
> the bell curve can involve examining their pedigree, but the proof is in
> the pudding, not in the recipe, so to speak...
>
> Mike Sofen
> Redmond, WA
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: squabdog@juno.com [SMTP:squabdog@juno.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 1997 9:13 AM
> > To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> > Subject: Re: Endurance Bloodlines
> >
> > Hi
> > I liked your post. I have believed as you stated for a long time. I
> > think
> > that pedigree is important. I also believe that you have to test the
> > individual too. One can't just read a paedigree and sy he has a good
> > horse. But if one studies enough horses and pedigrees he can sure
> > norrow
> > the search down quite a bit.
> > Maybe the reason Bob's well bred endurance horses don't sell as well
> > as
> > the next guys show horses is because the show people have been
> > promoting
> > their horses alot longer. I think that a lot of people think that if
> > so
> > and so is getting $5000 stud fee maybe if I had something from his
> > bloodline I could sell foals from it for a good price. It costs just
> > as
> > much to feed a cheap horse as an expensive one. therefore selling a
> > foal
> > for $5000 or $1500. which bloodline would you choose? I believe that
> > as
> > the sport of endurance riding grows we will begin to horses breed
> > specifically for it. At that time more people will put more stock in
> > pedigrees.
> >
> > I also believe that the breeding vs. conditioning debate will be
> > debated
> > as long as there is people doing both. What trainer wants to be
> > thought
> > of as less important than the breeder? After all it is he/she that
> > gets
> > the athlete ready for the test.
> >
> > marc
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:56:03 -0500
> From: Ruth Bourgeois <ruthb@tdsi.net>
> To: Kimberly Henneman <vuduvet@utah-inter.net>
> CC: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Herbal supplements
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> Kimberly Henneman wrote:
> >
> >
> > Implants are great and do work, but as a holistic vet, I wonder what
the
> > underlying problem is that makes her cycle so hard. I usually look at
> > other things. The problem is that some of the herbs (dong quai) that
really
> > help probably wouldn't be allowed under AERC rules. Acupuncture can
really
> > help some of these mares. Just because she has the implant, don't stop
> > looking for the cause and trying to treat it.
> > Kim Henneman, DVM
>
> Kim,
> Please explain about the dong quai - why wouldn't it be allowed? Is this
> something that would show up on drug tests?
> I have a mare that was having problems when she started to cycle this
> spring. After she had colic once and seemed to have tying up problems
> (which we figured was more likely to be ovulation pains), I took her to
> a vet who did accupunture on her. He suggested giving her dong quai
> supplement, which I did also. She's done great, no further heat-related
> problems, seems mellower and more content in general. I did a
> competitive trail ride 2 weeks ago and was concerned about the drug
> question for that, so quit giving it to her several days before the
> ride, then resumed after.
> Also, wondered about the dosage. What is correct? I originally purchased
> Nature's Sunshine brand, FC with Dong Quai, which has in it red
> raspberry leaves, ginger root, licorice root, black cohost root, queen
> of the meadow herb, blessed thistle herb, and marshmellow root also. It
> smelled a lot nicer and seemed to be sweeter than the just plain herb
> that I bought at GNC. I wondered if one is better than the other. My
> mare seems to like the stuff, doesn't hesitate to lick it up with her
> oats. The brand I have now has 500 mg per capsule. I'm currently giving
> her 3 per day.
> Thanks for any info you can pass on!
> Ruth
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 16:04:37 -0400 (EDT)
> From: RICMARC@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Questions on boots
> Message-ID: <970513160302_87750538@emout08.mail.aol.com>
>
> I've used Long Horns a mens workboot.You have to waterproof them, they
are
> not
> that expensive, K-Mart has them.Also mens Wolvarines with steel toes,the
> material
> they are made of is not that heavy.Both have good ankle support.
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:54:04 -0400 (EDT)
> From: RUN4BEAR@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Feeding...
> Message-ID: <970513155258_-1097648806@emout19.mail.aol.com>
>
> In a message dated 97-05-13 13:06:59 EDT, you write:
>
> << Currently feed:
>
> 1 flake alfalfa mornings (he eats it all up and I've never had a tying
up
> or
> colic problem)
>
> 2 flakes oat evenings
> plus in the evening:
> 2 cans alfalfa meal and molasses, 1/2 can of Satin Finish (Rice Bran), 1
> scoop Biotin, 1 measure of Strongid C, 1/2 can of LMF formula A
(pelleted
> complete supplement - vitamins, etc. High on fat, low on protein)
>
> Open to comments, advice...
>
> >>
>
> When I work my horses hard they get all the hay they can eat plus freedom
on
> pasture (which is not so nutritional, but is great roughage). I hardly
feed
> any grain, but use 80 to 100% alfalfa. No problems. From what you
state, I
> would think more hay is in order...
>
> Teddy
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:55:24 -0700
> From: "Duncan Fletcher" <dfletche@gte.net>
> To: <MARDIP@aol.com>, <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Re: Feeding...
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> Flakes, cans, and scoops are meaningless. Give me measurements in lbs,
ozs,
> or kgs. Having said that, the diet appears to relatively well balanced,
> perhaps unnecessarily high in protein but not excessive. My first choice
> for additional food would to add a flake of oat in the am along with the
> alfalfa, but if I had actual weights I might consider something else. If
> you do, also supply me with the label ingredients for LMF - I don't have
> any numbers on that.
>
> Duncan Fletcher
> dfletche@gte.net
>
> ----------
> > From: MARDIP@aol.com
> > To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> > Subject: Feeding...
> > Date: Tuesday, May 13, 1997 9:48 AM
> >
> > Ok - know this is a subject that everyone has strong opinions on. I
> have a
> > 12 yr old Arab gelding, 15.2 and quite muscular (everyone mistakes him
> for
> > Quarter cross or Morgan). He's an average keeper. On average we're
> doing
> > 20+ miles a week. Example: Sunday we did 8 miles on moderate hills in
1
> 1/2
> > hrs approx. Anyway, as I'm starting to ride him more frequently and at
> > faster pace he's dropped a bit of weight (actually looks great right
> now). I
> > want to maintain his weight, his energy level, and his health of
course.
> > Currently my feed program is heavy with good intent, and low on actual
> > knowledge. He's looking great, just not sure that I'm not doing him a
> > disservice, plus as I continue to ride I'm concerned about further
weight
> > loss and loss of energy.
> >
> > Currently feed:
> >
> > 1 flake alfalfa mornings (he eats it all up and I've never had a tying
> up or
> > colic problem)
> >
> > 2 flakes oat evenings
> > plus in the evening:
> > 2 cans alfalfa meal and molasses, 1/2 can of Satin Finish (Rice Bran),
1
> > scoop Biotin, 1 measure of Strongid C, 1/2 can of LMF formula A
(pelleted
> > complete supplement - vitamins, etc. High on fat, low on protein)
> >
> > Open to comments, advice...
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:28:44 -0400 (EDT)
> From: RICMARC@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Bloody Shoulder Breyer Arabian
> Message-ID: <970513172643_-1231402639@emout19.mail.aol.com>
>
> As it was told to me.An arab warrior was in battle when he got wounded.He
> managed
> to stay on his horse and was brought home.The trip home was long and he
bled
> all
> over the horses shoulder.The mark is supposed to be good luck for the
horse
> and rider.The warrior did survive.
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:06:06 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Wrecksduke@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Feeding...
> Message-ID: <970513180520_-96794638@emout10.mail.aol.com>
>
> Oh yes, weighing the hay and supplements is important. Hay weight will
vary
> depending on the cutting/time of year.
>
> As you begin working your horse more, he will need more calories. At
some
> point he could stuff himself silly with hay and still not get enough
energy.
> Adding more hay might not be the answer, adding something with higher
> calorie content might be. Nutritional balance is important too. Oh yes
(as
> Bob might say) lots of good, clean water!
>
> I look forward to Truman's (who knows way more than me) and others'
educated
> and experienced comments to this question.
>
> Melody
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:56:29 -0400 (EDT)
> From: MARDIP@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Thanks to those on trailer recommendations
> Message-ID: <970513185401_1290425322@emout04.mail.aol.com>
>
> I want to thank everyone who emailed trailer suggestions, experiences,
> recommendations. It was immensely helpful. I ordered my trailer, and
won't
> see it til the end of summer probably, but thanks to all the advice I
feel
> really good about the decisions I made in selecting & outfitting it.
>
> Thanks again. This forum is really invaluable.
>
> Mardi
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 19:29:32 -0400 (EDT)
> From: RICMARC@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Feeding...
> Message-ID: <970513192636_-1063724518@emout10.mail.aol.com>
>
> Does living in different parts of the country have an effect on what we
feed?
> If we have poor hay, do we feed E-with Selinium.
> I feed oil,at least a cup a day.In the winter I give E-selenium,as soon
as I
> start conditioning I use Red Cell, which has selenium and stop the E
withS.
>
> I came on to ask if anyone has the recipe for home made electrolytes. I
have
> the
> ingredients: Dolomite--Table Salt---and Lite Salt.Not the measurements.
>
> Dolomite is purchased in haelth stores.
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 20:54:21 -0400
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> Date: 14 May 97 14:04:34 +0100
> From: ridecamp-d-request@endurance.net (ridecamp-d-request@endurance.net)
> To: endurance@moscow.com
> Subject: 03:ridecamp-d Digest V97 #331
> Message-Id: <4c4_9705150126@swimsuit.roskildebc.dk>
>
> From: "Helga Loncosky" <hblmh@ptd.net>
> To: "Endurance Net" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: RE:Electrolyte Recipe
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> This is Lew Hollander's mix.
>
> 16 ounces table salt
> 22 ounces Morton Lite Salt (2 boxes)
> 1 ounce magnesium salts (Epsom salts, magnesium carbonate)
>
> 1 ounce of above mix is combined with 2 ounces of pancake syrup. (Flows
> well all the time!) Give prior to ride, and at end of ride.
>
> It's worked well for me, and is pretty darn cheap, and doesn't have the
> extra glucose.
>
> BEACON MORGAN HORSES
> Helga B. Loncosky
> http://home.ptd.net/~hblmh
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 21:53:52 +0100
> From: vuduvet@utah-inter.net (Kimberly Henneman)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Implant for mares
> Message-Id: <v01520d02af9e8395f6e1@[206.107.179.202]>
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>
> First I would check the horse's back to make sure there wasn't any
> underlying soft tissue/bone problems that would make iliopsoas muscle
> (bottom of spine and right over ovaries) overreactive. From a
chiropractic
> standpoint, I would make sure all was adjusted and rule that out as a
> factor.
> Also make sure there are no underlying cystic or infective problems with
> the uterus.
>
> Second, I would make sure there weren't other deeper issues that might be
> affecting the overall balance of the hormones. A homeopath would call
that
> looking for chronic disease...looking at the WHOLE picture of her health.
> It is hard to explain here, but the entire body is tied together and a
> problem or symptom that happened years ago is significant to the
> acupuncturist or homeopath as a sign post to a bigger problem...they
might
> not be but then again they might.
>
> Nutrition, over exposure to chemicals and overvaccination are major
> concerns to those of us practicing in complementary medicine. I have a
lot
> of animals problems clear up with just simple dietary changes (correcting
> non-perceived deficiencies in antioxidant vitamins or trace minerals for
> example). Also many of our insecticides mimic estrogen...the overuse of
> these chemicals is currently being suspected as culprits in the decrease
in
> fertility in men and the dropping in age for sexual maturity in women. I
> really think that with all the fly sprays we use on and around horses
that
> these chemicals might have some serious effects in susceptible
individuals.
>
> Just some food for thought.
> Kim Henneman, DVM
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 21:57:49 +0100
> From: vuduvet@utah-inter.net (Kimberly Henneman)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re[2]: hoof supplements/bran
> Message-Id: <v01520d03af9e85926e5c@[206.107.179.202]>
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>
> Good comments Bonnie, but oils like Canola, Wheat Germ and some corn oils
> are very high in vitamin E...almost like nature put it there on purpose.
> THe fats that are uncooked but rather coldpressed will have the highest
Vit
> E levels.
>
> The biggest problems with fats is the work and length of gut needed to
> absorb them. Too much fat overwhelms the system and some passes out and
> thus loose manure. Most horses probably should be supplemented with Vit
E
> (by itself...no Se) since most of our hays are low in it anymore.
> Kim Henneman, DVM
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 22:03:43 +0100
> From: vuduvet@utah-inter.net (Kimberly Henneman)
> To: ruthb@tdsi.net
> Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Herbal supplements
> Message-Id: <v01520d07af9e8781e2b2@[206.107.179.202]>
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>
> As for the dose, I use the preparations made for horses (Equilite) so I
> tend to use the recommended label dose.
> Kim
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 22:02:39 +0100
> From: vuduvet@utah-inter.net (Kimberly Henneman)
> To: ruthb@tdsi.net
> Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Herbal supplements
> Message-Id: <v01520d06af9e86f7c244@[206.107.179.202]>
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>
> Dong quai is excellent at rebalancing hormones...the problem is that it
is
> not an excepted way to do it and there is no research in horses. Thus it
> could be argued that it is not a substance to regulate estrus. Every
> race's head veterinarian is different and some like alternatives and some
> feel very threatened and won't allow it. The rule is vague esp. combined
> with the rule on herbs in general.
> Kim Henneman, DVM
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 22:07:10 +0100
> From: vuduvet@utah-inter.net (Kimberly Henneman)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Windpuffs
> Message-Id: <v01520d08af9e87caf3e9@[206.107.179.202]>
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>
> Doris: I would be concerned about the weight with the fact that she was
> probably small at 26months (since she is 15.1 now) and how it timed with
> her growth spurts. If she was sloping downhill quite a bit while you were
> riding, it doesn't matter how light it was, it may have been extra stress
> on the front. Remember, growing babies might have a lot more than 60% of
> their weight on the front and add the weight of rider and tack?.... I
would
> recommend having her looked at by a competent veterinary chiropractor and
> make sure the problems are gone. Some outgrow them and some don't. It
> never hurts to check.
> Kim Henneman,DVM
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 21:02:53 -0700
> From: Larry Suddjian <wstf@foothill.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> CC: doolittl@hr.house.gov
> Subject: "NO HANDS BRIDGE" ~ GREAT NEWS
> Message-ID: <3379396C.6F1D@foothill.net>
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> GREAT NEWS FROM CONGRESSMAN DOOLITTLE (R-Rocklin, CA)
>
> Today Congressman John T. Doolittle announced that the House
> Appropriations Committee has included his bill (H. R. 936) to provide
> the needed funding to repair and re-open "No Hands" Bridge in its
> emergency flood-aid package expected to be voted on by the House of
> Representatives this week (May 14 or 15).
>
> From a press release issued today, Congressman Doolittle states
> "Estimates have shown that up to $700,000 may be needed to provide for
> the immediate stabilization of the bridge to accommodate such annual
> events as the Tevis Cup and the western States 100 Mile Endurance Run,
> and for the repair of the bridge's eastern pier as necessary for its
> future unrestricted use. Because of the emergency nature of the bill,
> once passed by the Congress and signed by the president, funding to
> repair the bridge may be available as early as this summer."
>
> Doolittle went on to say "After seeing the damage that this year's
> flooding caused, I am convinced that No Hands Bridge cannot bear the
> brunt of another severe storm. If the funding for this project is
> approved quickly, we may actually be able to make the repairs needed to
> stabilize and re-open the bridge this year."
>
> In the closing paragraph of the press release Doolittle said "There is
> no doubt that No Hands Bridge plays an important part in the
> recreational and economic value of or region. I am convinced that an
> important element in making our local economy strong is our ability to
> capitalize on our area's existing recreational resources. The repair of
> No Hands Bridge will assist us in achieving that goal."
>
> On behalf the Board of Governors of the Western States Trail Foundation
> and ALL the friends of the WST, THANK YOU for all the efforts of people
> from around the world to "Save No Hands Bridge". Our voices have been
> heard. Look for the announcement of the passage of H. R. 1469 in the
> House this week and let us all celebrate when the Senate passes S. 672
> and President Clinton signs the bill. The process we have all witnessed
> is truly an example of the private sector working in harmony with the
> government...our Congresspersons DO listen to the people that put them
> in office.
>
> Stay tuned...
>
> Larry Suddjian, Vice President and Ride Director
> WESTERN STATES TRAIL FOUNDATION
> http://www.foothill.net/tevis
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 14 May 97 06:57:12 EST
> From: "Bonnie Snodgrass" <snodgrab@ncr.disa.mil>
> To: EQUINE-L@PSUVM.PSU.EDU, ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Horse Leasing
> Message-Id: <9704148636.AA863618552@ncr.disa.mil>
>
> I may be leasing a horse and got realizing that I don't have on hand
> any kind of standard lease form. Could someone help me out? Please
> reply by personal e-mail or fax.
>
> Bonnie Snodgrass
>
> snodgrab@ncr.disa.mil
>
> (703) 607-4244 FAX
>
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> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 01:45:57 -0500
> From: Becky <hrt0632@tsufl.edu>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Arabian mane length....
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> Sorry to wander so far off of the subject, but can any of you Arabian
> owners answer my stupid question? I've had no luck elsewhere. What is
> the appropriate mane turnout for Dressage/Hunter classes? I have just
> purchased a registered Gai Marquis mare who I will be trailing and
> showing in primarily open shows. Is a pulled short mane acceptable? I
> have been told to pull it, but others have told me it is frowned upon to
> shorten the Arab mane. Help! Any advice would be appreciated.
> Thank You,
> Becky A.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 00:05:24 -0700
> From: Tracy Stampke <zebella@idt.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Natural Balance hoof
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> Lauren Horn wrote:
> >
> > Kimberly Henneman wrote:
> > Gene Ovnicek, the
> > > farrier who developed it has been in Phoenix twice the last two
months.
>
>
> Is there anywhere that I could print out the info on the natural balance
> hoof to give to my farrier to read?
>
> Specific instructions, details etc?
>
> My farier is very competent and would like to learn this shoeing
> technique, so any help here would be appreciated.
>
> thanks,
>
> tracy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 97 07:00:19 EST
> From: "Bonnie Snodgrass" <snodgrab@ncr.disa.mil>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: natural fly spray?
> Message-Id: <9704158637.AA863704952@ncr.disa.mil>
>
> Jan, you say your horse is allergic to commercial fly sprays. Have
> you tried both oil based and water based sprays? I went thru this
with
> a Morgan gelding I owned. Turns out he reacted badly to oil based
> sprays. It was the mineral oil that they were based on. Skin-So-Soft
> also produced the same horrible itching and peeling. I was able to
use
> water based sprays but did eventually switch to an herbal spray
called
> "Clac-80" made in Germany and sold in this country by Whitman. This
is
> a concentrate that you dilute with water. The herbal extracts are in
> an oil form but it is organic not mineral and hasn't bothered my
> horses. You can also make your own of course. I've used Oil of
> Citronella, Eucalyptus, Pennyroyal, Peppermint and Thyme. The
> repellent properties seem much better than the commercial mixes
which
> seem designed to kill rather than repel. Also from what I've read,
our
> insect population is simply developing immunities to insecticides
> anyway.
>
> I've used vinegar and will say it helps some for repelling knats and
> mosquitoes but doesn't bother our flies one bit.
>
> Bonnie Snodgrass
>
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
> Subject: saddle wanted & natural fly spray?
> Author: ridecamp@endurance.net at smtp
> Date: 5/15/97 12:27 AM
>
>
> Hi All:
>
> Also ----
> My Ara/App filly is allergic to the commercial fly spray products I have
tried.
> Have heard that vinegar can be used as a fly repellent. Is that the
white
> or apple cider variety? & at what strength? Are there any other natural
> remedys for this?
>
> Thanks for the help.
> Jan Canfield & God's "A" Creatures
> Apps, Ara/App, & Aussies
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 97 07:04:33 EST
> From: "Bonnie Snodgrass" <snodgrab@ncr.disa.mil>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Natural Balance hoof
> Message-Id: <9704158637.AA863705251@ncr.disa.mil>
>
> Start at www.horseshoes.com and look thru their articles and other
> farrier websites. I've read about it and browsed a long article that
> includes photos thru that route. You're fortunate to have an open
> minded farrier interested in learning different techniques.
>
> Bonnie Snodgrass
>
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
> Subject: Natural Balance hoof
> Author: ridecamp@endurance.net at smtp
> Date: 5/15/97 3:09 AM
>
>
> Lauren Horn wrote:
> >
> > Kimberly Henneman wrote:
> > Gene Ovnicek, the
> > > farrier who developed it has been in Phoenix twice the last two
months.
>
>
> Is there anywhere that I could print out the info on the natural balance
> hoof to give to my farrier to read?
>
> Specific instructions, details etc?
>
> My farier is very competent and would like to learn this shoeing
> technique, so any help here would be appreciated.
>
> thanks,
>
> tracy
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:47:50 +0200
> From: Leonard.LIESENS@DG10.cec.be
> To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Bloodlines please continue
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Identifier: Bloodlines pleas
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi all,
> It's funny that the discussion on this forum comes finally on the
> subject of endurance bloodlines, because as an European, I was willing
> to ask tons of questions about how the situation was in the States
> compared to my country.
> I was assuming that there were breeders specialized in breeding
> endurance horses, having located the bloodlines which were consistently
> produced good endurance subjects. But by reading the VERY INTERESTING
> posts of Bob, Kat,
> Kim and the others (sorry not to mention everyone), I come to the
> conclusion that finding a good endurance horse is like gambling...or am
> I wrong?
> But some of you are nevertheless speaking about some endurance
> bloodlines, without saying which they are. Is this a secret or is it the
> same as in the showring's circle where each breeder has its own
> believes? One believes in Polish lines, one in golden cross, one in
> Egyptian etc...
> In France, they believe a lot in the offspring of the russian bred
> stallion Persik and you have to pay big money to buy one of his foal.
> Real or just business? Must inform more to collect real data on the
> record of his offspring.
> In Belgium, the country is too small to make any statistics and also
> everyone knows that the arabs in endurance are the ones not able to
> compete, either on the showring, either in breeding. There is also a
> very stupid reaction of some riders who are using their retired mount
> (due to for example lameness or metabolic problems) for breeding and who
> keep trying and trying from that bad startpoint.
> Also some of you were speaking about the conformation which should be
> ideal for an endurance horse and this is also something well described
> in endurance-related books. OK. But when you watch a race, you can see
> about every type of conformation. Why?
> BTW, what is according to you the perfect conformation that one should
> check when buying a horse?
> Lots of questions...but maybe someone has the answer...
> Greetings from Belgium
> Leonard
>
> --
> leonard.liesens@dg10.cec.be
> Leonard LIESENS
> Belgium
>
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