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as anyone recieved their May/June issue of Trail blazer...or is mine lost in
>the file system???at the Trail Blazer office again??
>
>Kathleen
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:02:59 +0100
>From: vuduvet@utah-inter.net (Kimberly Henneman)
>To: truman.prevatt@netsrq.com (Truman Prevatt)
>Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
>Subject: Re: PHF
>Message-Id: <v01520d01afa6fcc92569@[206.107.179.202]>
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>>>The idea is to not overdo it and use vaccines judiciously.
>>
>>When I was going to Western Kentucky to do the LBL several years ago I
>>called Jon Warren and asked if I should vaccinate for PHF. His statement
>>was that reaction to the vaccine was bigger risk than getting PHF.
>>
>>This raises another question. Most vets reccomends that pregnant mares be
>>vaccinated for rhino/flu at month 5, 7 and 9. Is this necessary? It seems
>>like overkill and the side effects may outweigh the benefits.
>>
>>Truman
>>
>>
>>
>>Truman Prevatt
>>Mystic "The Horse form Hell" Storm with a lille hellion on the way
>>Danson "Deamon in Training" Flame
>>Sarasota, FL
>
>
>
>Wisconsin Vet School is no longer recommending the 5,7,9 rhino vaccs for
>mares. They recommend checkin for a protective antibody level (a titer)
>first and if needs boosting, boost before breeding.
>
>Kim Henneman, DVM
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:39:59 EDT
>From: kenayala@juno.com
>To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>Subject: Biltmore Ride
>Message-ID: <19970520.093958.10246.0.kenayala@juno.com>
>
>Surprise! Biltmore didn't win Tina's mudability award for 1997! It was
>a near-perfect weekend for riders, crew, and workers, as bright
>sunshine/moonshine, gentle breezes and 40 to 65 degree temperatures
>offered ideal conditions for horses and humans! As Ride Manager, I want
>to thank all the wonderful people who came to Biltmore to help with the
>ride, especially Nancy Gooch and "mom" Emmy Stevenson, Samm Bartee, Brian
>Bourne, Kathy Bauer, Brandy Doggett, John and Susan Pyne, Patti Fleming,
>Mary and Jack Britt, Joanne Alderman, Janet Comrie, Julie and Jim
>Capaldi, Bill and Barbara Madill, Candy and Rex Byrd, the Asheville Ham
>Radio Assn, plus a host of Biltmore Saddle Club members who served as
>spotters, pulse workers, secretaries, and safety riders.. The list would
>be as endless as my thanks!! Photographer Jeannie Stewart-Spears worked
>her usual miracles with the camera and had beautiful photos at the Sunday
>Awards Breakfast. My congratulations to all who finished the ride
>successfully and also to those whose horses gave it their best effort but
>fell short of the finish mark for whatever reason. Thank you all for
>cheerfully accepting management and vet staff's decision to crew and vet
>horses "up the hill". I know it takes extra effort for riders and crew,
>but the arena location allows us to better care for your horses thru the
>day and night. AND there were many more people at the finish line to
>cheer everyone into the final vet check....AND the views were
>spectacular!! What more could ride management ask--NO rain, NO floods,
>NO mud, NO emergencies, GREAT moonlight, CARING riders, SUPER helpers.
>Thank you one and all. Anne Ayala and the Biltmore Saddle and Bridle
>Club.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:00:06 +0100
>From: vuduvet@utah-inter.net (Kimberly Henneman)
>To: zebella@idt.net
>Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
>Subject: Re: Natural Balance hoof
>Message-Id: <v01520d00afa6fb6dd39f@[206.107.179.201]>
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>
>>Lauren Horn wrote:
>>>
>>> Kimberly Henneman wrote:
>>> Gene Ovnicek, the
>>> > farrier who developed it has been in Phoenix twice the last two months.
>>
>>
>>Is there anywhere that I could print out the info on the natural balance
>>hoof to give to my farrier to read?
>>
>>Specific instructions, details etc?
>>
>>My farier is very competent and would like to learn this shoeing
>>technique, so any help here would be appreciated.
>>
>>thanks,
>>
>>tracy
>
>
>
>Tracy: you cannot learn to do the technique from reading about it. Your
>farrier MUST attend a seminar from Gene or go spend time with him or one of
>his instructors. Gene's phone number is 406-892-2977. I would also
>recommend spending time with Bill Heflin and Ben Shipard (Grand Junction,
>CO - see Western Horseman 1/97). Bill's number is 970-248-3653; Ben's is
>970-523-1445. There is also Doug Frazier in Pocatello, ID. His number is
>208-897-5780. Articles to read include this months The Horse, Trail Blazer
>(7/96) on Rediscovering the Natural Foot and January's WEstern Horseman.
>Good luck.
>Kim Henneman, DVM
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:11:42 +0100
>From: vuduvet@utah-inter.net (Kimberly Henneman)
>To: Trishmare@aol.com
>Cc: Ridecamp@endurance.net
>Subject: Re: Vaccinations
>Message-Id: <v01520d04afa6fe07701a@[206.107.179.202]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>In response to Trish's revelations, here are mine. My horses get tetanus
>annually only and get EEE/WEE every other year. We are doing the same at
>the track and our horses NOT getting vaccinations are the healthiest in the
>lot. When a horse is claimed, then we have to go through a detox protocol
>and once they have dumped all the junk in their systems do well. You
>cannot however JUST stop vaccinating. You have to take steps to maintain a
>healthy immune system including diet and maximizing health
>(acupuncture/homeopathy) to boost immune system. As for the dogs, the
>studies are starting to show that distemper and parvo last for years to
>life. AT the most they might need 2 in their lifetimes. Cats: panleuk
>(distemper) probably lasts for minimum of 5 years and probably life. FIP
>is a bad vaccine and might sensitize the animals to the disease (Cornell
>study). Rabies and Fel. Leuk have been PROVEN to cause malignant
>fibrosarcomas in 1:500 animals. My animals get rabies only. Their vaccine
>titers show them to be well protected.
>Kim Henneman, DVM
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 10:57:53 -0400 (EDT)
>From: ISLNDGRL@aol.com
>To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>Subject: vaccines and fly spray
>Message-ID: <970520105752_-1766906244@emout06.mail.aol.com>
>
>As I've said before, I live in South Florida on a canal and back up to
>wetands. The size of the mosquitoes and flies compares only to Japanese
>horror films. I have spent a small fortune on fly sprays, and am currently
>using the vinegar - citronella combo with 10cc of a concentrate fly spray. I
>don't add water and I no longer use Skin So Soft. I found that the SSS did
>attract dirt and caused my horses to itch more (clogged pores from all that
>oil?) So far I am very happy with this spray. In July and August when
>things get worse I will probably add Camphor oil .
>I have used homeopathic vaccines for two years now. I do give a homeopathic
>for rabies as I live a rabies epidemic area. My horses are incredibly
>healthy and happy. My dogs also get homeopathic vaccines, and for their age
>and breed are incredibly healthy (11yo 125lb rhodesian ridgebacks). As a
>nurse, I took the Hepatitis vaccine only because we were mandated to . I do
>get a tetnus vaccine every 5 years, but I do not take flu or pnuemonia
>vaccines. Just my approach, but we are all very healthy.
>
>Kathy and the crew
>Casey, Kimba, Danny and Moriah
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:33:11 -0700
>From: nevadaghostridr@webtv.net (L Eisele)
>To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>Subject: week before the ride
>Message-Id: <199705201533.IAA19584@mailtod-102.bryant.webtv.net>
>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
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> Tina, that last week I just get my horse out for some pleasure
>rides, lungeing and stretching exercise. My last longest ride I
>schedule 2 weekends before the actual ride about 30-35 miles.
> That last week I may go out 2-3 times anywhere's from 6-15 miles
>not too fast and give my horse Thurs. and Fri. off.
> If my horse is in real good shape, I may only ride him twice that
>last week for a short distance. The weekend before the ride, I do no
>more than 20 miles. If I do more then my horse tends to get burned out.
>Alot depends on the horse too. Linda
>
>Linda Eisele & Sareei and
>hubby, Allen and the General nevadaghostridr@webtv.net
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:41:14 -0700
>From: nevadaghostridr@webtv.net (L Eisele)
>To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>Subject: Re: Saddle Covers - How & Why?
>Message-Id: <199705201541.IAA20048@mailtod-102.bryant.webtv.net>
>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
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> Linda, I use a real wool fleece saddle cover for all my saddles.
> I prefer the real wool with leather back as it wears well and the
>leather sticks more and slides around less than the fabric back.
> I like the covers becuase, it protects the saddle, it cuts down on
>rubbing and is comfortable, and provides more security as oppossed to
>the slick saddle leather.
> I never have gotten into a soaking rain yet but wool is warm even
>when it is wet.
> I purchased a partial seat from Sportack for one saddle and the
>other I had custom made full saddle cover for my SS thru a friend of
>Karen Chaton that makes them special for SS.
> I love my covers, though expensive are worth it. Linda
>
>Linda Eisele & Sareei and
>hubby, Allen and the General nevadaghostridr@webtv.net
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 10:36:00 -0500 (CDT)
>From: "Glenda R. Snodgrass" <grs@consider.theneteffect.com>
>To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>Subject: Greetings from a newcomer
>Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.970520102913.6543H-100000@consider.theneteffect.com>
>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
>Yes, another endurance rider wannabe has just joined this list. I bought
>my horse three months ago (9yo Arab gelding with CTR experience, excellent
>recovery times) and hope to try a 25-miler this fall (no problem for
>Lakota, but *I* need lots of conditioning).
>
>I live in Mobile, Alabama, and would _love_ to meet some endurance riders
>in the area. Are there any on this listserver? It would be nice to have
>someone to ride with occasionally, but mostly just to talk to, ask
>questions, etc. I'm the only "crazy" rider at my barn (crazy is defined
>as willing to trot and canter when the temp is over 80, or willing to
>ride more than an hour at any time).
>
>If there are any South Alabama or Gulf Coast riders interested in getting
>together, please let me know.
>
>Glenda R. Snodgrass
>
>Before you begin, consider ... The Net Effect
>http://www.theneteffect.com
>(334) 433-0196
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:37:05 -0700
>From: Stephanie Teeter <step@fsr.com>
>To: "'ridecamp@endurance.net'" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
>Subject: multi-day rides - information wanted
>Message-ID: <01BC6501.614ADC80@seahorse.fsr.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>Hi group - I'm writing an article on multi-day rides (5 days). If any of
>you have particular experiences or descriptions that you'd like to share
>please send them to me. Especially for some of the older ones -
>XP, Outlaw Trail, Renegade.
>
>Brad - can you give me a description of your new Rocky Mt. ride?
>
>thanks!
>
>Steph Teeter
>step@fsr.com
>http://www.endurance.net
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:59:49 -0400 (EDT)
>From: SandyDSA@aol.com
>To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>Subject: Re: Trail Blazer...has the May/June issue come out yet?
>Message-ID: <970520125428_-1465942843@emout08.mail.aol.com>
>
>Haven't gooten ours yet. Are we surprised?
>s
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 13:02:26 -0400 (EDT)
>From: SandyDSA@aol.com
>To: katswig@deltanet.com
>cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
>Subject: Re: To geld or not, that is the question
>Message-ID: <970520130205_710272714@emout07.mail.aol.com>
>
>In a message dated 97-05-20 12:16:50 EDT, you write:
>
><< Geld clauses in the sale contract
> are of no legal merit. After you sell the horse and release it to the new
> owner's care. It is theirs to do with as they please (to geld or not
> geld).
> Not true - we had one upheld easily, since the colt was too young for
>gelding at the time of contract, and so the clause went in for several
>reasons. The gelding was completed by the new owner, even thought they wished
>to keep him entire and breed him to his sis later. Of course, they could not
>and now are happy with a number of mares and geldings.
> I am of exactly the opposite opinion. I have a colt which I am in
> converstations about finding a new owner for. This person is looking for
> a gelding. My attitude is..."well, I can understand why you want a
> gelding, and I won't violently oppose gelding the horse, but I also won't
> perform the operation myself. If you want a gelding, geld him yourself."
>
> Is it because I believe him to be breeding quality (I don't know, he's
> only 4 weeks old, so impossible to say at this stage, but MAYBE)? No, it
> is because I LIKE stallions.
> I also like stallions or else we would not own a stallion. However, i don't
>care for a lot of the people who HAVE them, and have been endangered on trail
>and at shows and EVEN in the stallion's own barn!
> > SOme of the bets stallions are in backyards and on small
> > ranches, and a good deal of ranches are as careful as we are about who
>gets
> > their precious colts. Going to the stock yard or an auction is enough to
> > convince anyone that there are indeed too many horses being bred.
>
> If you really want to reduce the number of substandard horses being bred,
> you would do better to spay your "non breeding quality" mares before you
> sell them. >>
>No I have to disagree here since an entire female in not nearly the complex
>social problem a stallion is. Stallions are unwelcome in many venues - SAR,
>drill teams, schools, public boarding stables (some allow them in barns), and
>on Mounted Police Patrols. These people traditionally want geldings, many
>will accept mares, but I know of none that consider a stallion socially
>acceptable. There is a reason for this. 'Nuf said.
>s
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 20 May 97 17:15:12 UT
>From: "Connie Hoge" <pvtevt@msn.com>
>To: "Linda VanCeylon" <LVanCeylon@vines.ColoState.EDU>, Ridecamp@endurance.net
>Subject: RE: Choosing a stallion
>Message-Id: <UPMAIL07.199705201717250111@msn.com>
>
>Linda VanCeylon wrote---------
>>Almost any stallion has that look, it comes
>>with the hormones. The most important thing in any gender of horse is
>>conformation from the feet up.
>
>I can't agree. Man O'War had that "look", so did Huckleberry Bey. Yes, some
>people are "awed", because the animal is a Stallion, but then there are those
>special individuals, as there are with mares or geldings. I don't believe
>that the "special" something is just "hormones".
>
>I also understand that a stallion may not be the best choice for an endurance
>mount, but if they do it, & do it well, (as some have) - I (personal opinion)
>would breed to one if endurance was what I was breeding for. Agreed though,
>that the mare is the most important "half".
>
>Connie H.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 10:26:06 -0700
>From: Lauren Horn <fourhorn@mail.fia.net>
>To: outwestposse <OutWestPosse@msn.com>
>CC: ridecamp@endurance.net
>Subject: Re: Trail Blazer...has the May/June issue come out yet?
>Message-ID: <3381DEAD.7EDB@mail.fia.net>
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>I haven't got mine yet either!
>
>(Oh where, oh where can the mailman be....)
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:55:01 -0600
>From: Brent.Seufert@pipe.nova.ca (Brent Seufert)
>To: "Endurance Net" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
>Subject: Is the list still up?
>Message-Id: <199705201749.LAA106582@smu007sv.pipe.nova.ca>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>I Know, I've been lurking for a while, but haven't received anything form
>the endurance list for a few days. Is it still up?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Brent
>Brent Seufert
>NOVA Gas Transmission Ltd.
>GE Capitol Management Technology Services.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 20 May 97 18:01:58 UT
>From: "Connie Hoge" <pvtevt@msn.com>
>To: "Endurance Net" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
>Subject: Thank You
>Message-Id: <UPMAIL07.199705201804090002@msn.com>
>
>I spoke with Pat last evening, & she asked that I thank everyone for the email
> & cards received regarding her loss of Rocky Ridge Ali. Some arriving from
>as far away as NY.
>
>Though it's a tough experience to have to "share", being able to, - with
>others who know how it feels & have been there, really helped. A western red
>cedar is now planted over his grave, & other friends brought flowers.
>
>This experience has really brought home to me, as many others have expressed -
>that the love we share of horses, extends to their owners, as well.
>
>Rocky's last offspring, by a mare of Pats was born two weeks before his death,
>a colt, large, & very nice. Pat plans to give him some time - & see how he
>does - after all - you never know. . .
>
>Sincerely,
>Connie H.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:11:33 -0700
>From: Becky Hackworth <bechack@flash.net>
>To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>Subject: Re: obsessing
>Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970520181133.00684ad0@pop.flash.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>>Who has some positive strategies for dealing with this? I know that
>>Doug Lietzke has done some articles for Trailblazer magazine on this
>>type of thing, so I think I'm going to go look them up. Anybody else
>>have ideas? I'd like to hear them.
>
>Well, this sort of worked for me the other day. After an exhausting hot 50
>at Tule Blues on Gina, went out for a training ride on Jam with friend
>Charla. We didn't leave home until 5pm. The temperature was perfect. The
>horses felt GOOD. The sunlight coming through the leaves just made it a
>perfect ride. Even though we only did 10-11 miles, I felt Jam could have
>gone on forever. We did this ride at speed, with lots of cantering, and one
>"race"up a hill. All were laughing. It was so theraputic! Of course, then
>I got home and felt guilty for going so fast on a horse I am trying to bring
>back slowly. "did I check his legs good enough after we got home?" Should
>I have used the splint boots?" etc, etc,
>
>Just went out to REALLY check out Jam, and there was no swelling, no
>tenderness, no heat. HE WAS JUST FINE. Jam has had a slight bow on the
>right front, just above a small splint, and right after that, a suspensory
>injury to the left front. Well, HE'S BACK I FEEL SO MUCH BETTER. That ride
>is the type I used to have as a kid. Just for fun. Cantering and laughing
>with friends.
>
>Charla and I have a "thing" when we get back to the trailers, when things
>have gone like that, we say "GOOD RIDE".
>
>Well....Judy...Tina... go have a GOOD RIDE. Worry after.
>
>Becky Hackworth
>Gina, Jam and the rest of the crew
>
>--------------------------------
>End of ridecamp-d Digest V97 Issue #349
>***************************************
>
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