Ridecamp: Re: [RC] some LD and quit picking on howard

Whew, that's a relief.  I thought Joe was running for President of the Hate
Howard Club.  Thanks, Joe, I needed some good news to help me get thru the
Holidays.

You did make one error though, but, that's OK since you've never really met
me in person.  There is no way that I have ever thought those who don't
agree with me are stupid.  I am the stupid one here, and if you don't see
that in my posts, than, there's no point in really reading any of them.
ESPECIALLY THE STORIES!

Please, don't bother trying to dissect Howard or analyze him.  It's a waste
of your valuable time.  Howard doesn't understand Howard so I doubt if
you'll be able to.

The strange fact is I actually enjoy ya'll picking on me.  My rationale is
that I got your attention, even if some of your reaction to it all is quite
negative.  Speak out, tell us what you think.  If it makes yourself feel
good to call me a "moron, idiot, childish, nincompoop" by all means feel
free to do so.  I think that sort of thing kind of tells me more about you
than it does about me.  So, please, hold nothing back, let it all out.

AS far as the LD thread goes, of course I exaggerated to try and make a
point. I have a tendency to do this. But, please look at all ten of the
reasons I posted and I bet you'll find one or two that hit home.  I no
longer do LD's, or, just one or two a year (Leatherwood), so, I probably
should not even try to speak for this group of riders.  I realize not all
regions are alike, and, even down here in the Southeast, not all rides are
alike, especially when it comes to the LD portion.  We do actually have
rides that treat LDers as equals and those are the rides that I attend over
and over again.  It's the way it should be.

LD has evolved; it has changed.  I've seen it change in just the 4 years
I've been doing endurance.  Joe is right, I don't really know all the
history of this sport.  The info I get is from old timers like himself, and
it might be tainted.  I wasn't there.  In spite of that, I really do believe
the LD should be exactly like a true endurance ride.  And, I think the time
for a change is now.  The LD has become more popular than any other
distance.  We need to realize this and to respond to it.

I'm glad we're talking about this subject.  It needs to be discussed.  Even
if some of you have to respond by going after me personally, that's just
fine.  You, obviously, need somewhere to vent your rage, to show others how
self-righteous and condescending you can be, and, I enjoy getting that type
of email more than you know.  I'm sorry if I don't meet your definition of
what a true endurance rider is; I didn't know we had one.  But, I do
appreciate you showing me the errors of my ways and pointing out where I
took a wrong turn on the trail.  For you, Laura Hayes and Susan Vuturo, and
all the other grandiose, superior endurance riders who seem to be the only
ones who really know the true definition of the phrase, I'll try to do
better.  After all, I only have one direction to travel.

cya,
Howard



----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Long" <jlong@xxxxxxxx>
To: <RENESPONY@xxxxxx>
Cc: <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: [RC] some LD and quit picking on howard


> On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 01:33:22 EST, RENESPONY@xxxxxx wrote:
>
> ...
> >when someone new clicks on to this fine site you know what they find?  15
> >posts from people who hate Howard, and
> >feel the need to advertise this fact in long drawn out posts, or with
quick
> >snide remarks, to almost every contribution he makes.
> >it seems like bad manners to be so rude to someone on a public forum.
>
> I don't "hate Howard," and some of his stories are entertaining.  But
> when he climbs on his soapbox, he tends to put out a lot of
> misinformation.  He lacks historical perspective on these issues, and
> too often just doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, yet
> spouts off as if he's the fount of all endurance knowledge.  Those of
> us who know better have an obligation to correct his misinformation
> and "set the record straight."  There are many people who read this
> list, and they deserve the straight dope.
>
> Howard also invites the "flames" he gets back by his disparaging
> insults hurled at those who do not agree with him, and his "I'm right
> and everyone who doesn't agree is stupid" demeanor.
>
> I know the above is bit harsh, and for that my apologies -- I try when
> responding to Howard's posts to not get personal.  However, I think
> what I said above needs to be pointed out.
>
> --
>
> Joe Long
> jlong@xxxxxxxx
> http://www.rnbw.com
>
>
>
>
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