I try to do what I learned from John Lyons principles, "just make them do something." I started by making him move with finger pressure when I put feed in his bucket. Over a bit, or backup a few steps . When leading, I "connnect to the hip ,"make his hip move over a step". I also lunge him sometimes. Or do that "leading dance thing".over, left, right , forward, back. I do this for a few moments when walking, or tacking up or before I mount. I teach them to go forward with the tapping on hip spot till they move, then practice it going over and thru things. I walk with them past scary things, all kinds of "games" but they are really my training. (that way I don't have to just have 7 games, or special equipment, I just figured out the principles and "make them my own'" John Lyons says the "round pen" training is for an unbroke horse. to establish leadership. You can do the same thing with a horse that is halter broke with the right, left, back, forward dance. (little more to it, but found in his newsletter, books, etc. )
Especially the later ones (he keeps refining his techniques) Laurie and Rascal (who dances very well, thank you.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:12 PM To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [RC] Making Dog Food! Breaking Necks! Being the leader! becoming the alpha horse! So, how do you get there? Being new to horses (only hung out with my first one back in late 98, and didn't get started till spring 99 when my wife (then girlfriend) went to some event for a week (Pan Am in Canada?, She's asleep so I can't ask her) and I got stuck grooming and feeding for a week) I have been doing a lot of reading to "catch up" in my knowledge deficiency. Everyone agrees that it's important your horse sees you as "boss" or "alpha" or "leader" or whatever (so long it's #1). This seems to be across the board whether it's an old book, or a recent book. My question is: How did you establish this with your horse? What has worked? Do you use the 7 games of Pat Parelli? Do you use a roundpen and run the horse around for a long time? Do you use "passive leadership" as championed by Mark Rashid? Do you try to do it by presenting a "good feel" to the horse like Bill Dorrance and Leslie Desmond write about? Or do you use some combination or change as needed depending on the horse? How did you become your horses "#1"? Charles PS: Personally, I found a lot of grooming worked for my mare Keepers, but then she's vain. Jon on the other hand isn't vain and that hasn't worked for him. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [RC] Making Dog Food!
Karen, I can tell you what Pat would say about this situation: You'e right this is not a scared horse. This is a respect issue. A horse that has learned a behavior and simply refuses to do it is challenging your leadership. They are hard wired to do this constantly. Its your job to be a good leader, EVERY DAY. Simply. Sullivan <greymare@xxxxxxx> wrote: Kathy, You will notice several omissions from that article. Parelli does NOT adress the horse that once HAD been trained to tie, but now uses it to get out of situations it plain does not want to do ( having mouth touched, etc). And, at the end of the article, he makes no mention that this horse, with all this training....should be trained to be tied to a solid object!! I am not talking about a truly panicked horse, but a spoiled one.
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