Ridecamp: Re: [RC] Break Their Neck Training

Oh Howard
NO ONE has EVER accused me of not loving my horses or babies but I have 
to agree with Karen here. She described a method of training that is 
very safe 99% of the time and has been used by many trainers. Perhaps it 
doesn't fit into your idea of training (and I have no idea how many 
horse you have personally trained) but it was Karen's sincere attempt at 
assisting her horse and not considered a cruel method by most. I believe 
it was an unfair post you made against her character.
By the way, I have seen horses who are bent on destruction--- not many 
fortunately-- but I have learned to put my life and the lives of my 
family first. It was a hard lesson for me and believe me, there were 
many times I put myself in harm's way and even suffered for it (of 
course my chiropractor profited) but there is a point where you have to 
do your best to provide your horse with every opportunity to grow and 
take his place in society. If he chooses to find a way to break his neck 
and you have taken every precaution you know to take to avoid this, then 
he has a free will, too, and it is not for his best interest to hurt or 
possibly kill someone. Fortunately I have never had a horse injure 
himself seriously during training (except, perhaps his ego) but I have 
to be willing to take the risk because a horse can ALWAYS find a way to 
hurt himself despite what precautions you take.
And, Howard, I might add, I am STRONGLY opposed to the Death Sentence -- 
we have prisons and I want people to be put away from society (and no, I 
do not want to start a death sentence debate--- just make my point that 
I do not take death lightly) ---- a far cry from a horse finding a way 
to take his own life or becoming such a risk to others that it is far 
more humane to let him travel onto his next incarnation than to put him 
in horsey prison (and where is that???)
But I will take your post under consideration and I recommend that 
anyone on ridecamp, who finds a horse that is out of control and who 
they have been unable to deal with, send that horse to you for training. ;-)
Bette

Howard Bramhall wrote:
> Am I the only one upset with this post?  What is wrong here?  This 
> person sees herself as a rescuer, but, believes that if a horse doesn't 
> respond to her the way he should than the horse is "dog food?"  Breaking 
> the horse's neck is a risk she's willing to take? Is this some sort of 
> tongue and cheek humor I don't get?
>  
> Please, if you're serious, do not rescue any more mishandled horses. IF 
> you're the rescuer, who on earth was the abuser?  Attila, the horse 
> eating Hun?  For the sake of the species, all breeds, I really don't 
> think they need your type of help.  Who trained you to train horses like 
> this?  Was his name Radical Ralph, the Red necked Rancher & Risk Taker 
> (notice who is at risk here)?  I do believe someone needs to poke you in 
> the butt with a pitch fork for being the one who is most stupid here.  
> Allow me.  And, yes, I do find you to be quite horrible, even with those 
> horse treats in your hand.
>  
> cya,
> Howard (somehow, I don't think she bothered with any of the John Lyon's 
> courses) 
>  --------
>   
>  
> yep, there is no doubt, that even by tying with precautions...horses can set
> back and break their neck. To me, though, it the most important thing to 
> have in
> place.  Having just rescued a mishandled horse that had learned to pull 
> back to get her
> way, the first thing I was going to do before putting ANY money into 
> this horse was to see if we could tie her and break her of the pulling 
> habit. 
>  
> I use a be-nice-halter, a strong rope with a bull snap, an unbreakable 
> tree branch high overhead, AND a tractor innertube around the branch.  
> Yes, the horse panicked and pulled back several times, reared, fell 
> down, etc.  I stand ready with rake to poke in their butt (if they are 
> too stupid to figure out that going forward releases the pressure with 
> the be-nice-halter), and a knife to cut the rope if things really go 
> bad......but I AM willing to take that risk that the horse might break 
> it's neck. In my opinion, if it can't be cured, it is dog food anyway.
>
> So new horse has had a couple rough days....I am not a horrible person and
> give praise and lots of treats for right behavior.....but 5 days later, 
> this horse has
> figured it out and is not pulling back. In fact, if she even thinks the 
> rope might tighten, she comes forward.
>
> If the horse pulls back to pressure....you can't pony then.....you can't tie
> them in the trailer...etc.
>
> If breeders would teach all their babies to tie....it would solve a LOT of
> problens when the horse gets heavier!!
>
>
>
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Bette Lamore
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