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Here is another example. My daughter and I
bought an Anglo Arab that just fussed and fussed with the bit. AFter
checking teeth, naturally, we spend hours and hours by her side, with the rein,
"asking" her to give to the bit, gently, side to side. IIt was the mildest
snaffle we could find. Over and over (to teach the response). She still
fussed and pulled with the bit, and didn't pay attention when you rode
her.
So....finally I did what my friends trainer
did.....put her in a stall, saddled and bitted up. Tied lightly to the
side of the saddle (very little bend to head). Left her to pull and figure
it out In her case, she HAD to learn she could just NOT pull away from bit
pressure, but would get the relief when she gave to the pressure. Heck if
it didnt' work! Thsi is NOT John Lyons method....and I always
thought it a bad idea. But it worked with this horse.
In the case of the new horse....I will again defend
my method. Becuase this horse learned it did not have to tie, with these
people and learned the bad habit that pulling back or backing up will get her
own way...in two years, they did not (becuase could not) worm her.....vaccinate
her....and the shoes had been on for at least 6 months.....the daugther had been
forbidden from handling the horse becasue the mother felt she was dangerous . I
fail to see how this was a good situation for this horse. Had I not taken
her...they were going to call animal control to come get the horse. In
that case, she would have been autioned off to highest bidder....could have
ended up at livestock auction, or sold to family with kids....I stand by my gut
feeling that if this horse was not reformed , she was going to hurt
someone.
There is another whole theory of tying Pony
club subscribes to this, and many people who work with expensive show
horses...and that is to NEVER tie the horse.....horse tied to baling twine
loops. So, it if does set back, the baling twine breaks before the horse
pulls too hard.. In my opinion, this teaches them they can get loose whenever it
apeals to them. This translates to always haveing to be by and watch your
horse at shows......I just feel it is a bad idea. If it was accepted as
the "safe way to do things":, well, the sport of Ride and Tie would never take
place!
Karen
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 6:59
AM
Subject: Re: [RC] Break Their Neck
Training
"John Lyons tying methods work great as a training
method with horses that have not learned to give to pressure. There is a
world of difference between them, and a spoiled horse, that ONCE knew what to
do, but due to clueless people learned it could pull back-rear-buck-kick
etc, when it did not want to do something"
25 years ago I learned, accidentally, about spoiled
horses. I had been converted to "natural horsemanship". My son's
mare started avoiding the bit. I spent many hours doing the head drop
etc. with no positive results. One day I lost my temper and hit her
smartly on the nose. She immediately droped her head and opened her
mouth! In that case she:
1. Knew what she was supposed to do.
2. Was not scared.
3. Just didn't want to do it, until things were
explained in a different manner.
The problem is in figuring out why the problem is
happening. Once that is done the solution is sometimes easy.
Ed
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