Ridecamp: Re: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military lands and all plant lifefrom ESA (fw

Most of the equestrians I know, fall somewhere in the middle....they care
about plants, animals, land, air, water
and each other.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Sherrell" <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Ridecamp (E-mail)" <Ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:04 PM
Subject: FW: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military lands and all
plant lifefrom ESA (fw


> "Some maintenance" is not equal to bulldozing habitat, clearcutting or
> having cattle trample streambanks. What is the opposite of "ecofreek" --
> earthkiller?
>
> Mike Sherrell
> Grizzly Analytical (USA)
> 707 887 2919/fax 707 887 9834
> www.grizzlyanalytical.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Morris [mailto:bobmorris@xxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:45 AM
> To: mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military lands and all
> plant lifefrom ESA (fw
>
>
> I do believe that between Mike and Maureen we have a couple
> of Ecofreeks that do not "live on the land" and realize that
> some maintenance is necessary.
>
> Bob
>
> Bob Morris
> Morris Endurance Enterprises
> Boise, ID
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Mike
> Sherrell
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 12:04 PM
> To: Ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: FW: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military
> lands and all
> plant lifefrom ESA (fw
>
>
> Scraping out creekbeds is ecocide. Don't have to be a
> fanatic to know that;
> all you have to do is ride by one before (birds, bugs, fish,
> all kinds of
> animals) and after (sterile).
>
> Mike Sherrell
> Grizzly Analytical (USA)
> 707 887 2919/fax 707 887 9834
> www.grizzlyanalytical.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> Barbara McCrary
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:04 AM
> To: Maureen A. Fager
> Cc: RIDECAMP
> Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military
> lands and all
> plant lifefrom ESA (fw
>
>
> Perhaps you haven't had experiences of having your private
> property
> controlled by the ESA, but we have.  I'm sure this is a
> two-edged sword, but
> as property owners, we are getting quite tired of having us
> restricted from
> doing what we need to do on our own land.  We can't clear
> log jams out of
> creeks, to prevent flooding and erosion during the winter
> time, because
> removing the jams might cause harm to the fish in the creek,
> etc., etc.  I,
> for one, am ready for some sanity in the government.  And
> it's very
> difficult to negotiate with the fanatical environmentalists,
> because they
> don't want to learn anything new; they already think they
> know it all.
> Maybe things are different in Reno, but in a radius of 100
> miles or so of
> the San Francisco Bay area, with all of its tens of
> thousands of city
> dwellers, they believe theirs is the ONLY WAY.  Urban sprawl
> should be
> controlled in some other manner than denying private
> property owners the
> right to manage their own land.  I'm all for controlled
> building, up to a
> point.  But when it costs a person $70,000 in building
> permits and all the
> "studies" that are necessary in order to remodel an existing
> house, and when
> it takes several years to finally obtain the permit, then it
> is a society
> gone berserk.  One of our neighbors had to relocate the site
> of the house
> they wished to build because of a wildflower that someone
> decided was going
> to be threatened.  The neighbor had planned to build the
> house out of sight
> of the public road, but in the end was forced to build on a
> hilltop in
> conspicuous sight of the road.  And it's a rather ugly
> house, to boot.
>
> Barbara
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Maureen A. Fager" <trottin27@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military
> lands and all
> plant lifefrom ESA (fw
>
>
> >
> > This type of legislation in not made so folks can "enjoy
> their public
> lands"
> > it is made so lands can be developed.  Developement takes
> lands out of
> > use--by destroying trails and trail heads, blocking trail
> heads and other
> > access to public lands.
> >
> > While laws can be changed and "enviromentalists" can be
> negioitiated with,
> > you can't negotiate with a gated community, a house built
> on the
> trailhead,
> > a golf course or a Walmart.  They are here to stay.   Be
> carefull what you
> > wish for.
> >
> > Happy Trails,
> > Maureen
> > Reno, NV
> >
> > (who has seen land and trail lost to all of the above, and
> more)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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