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    Re: [RC] [RC] Very young riders in AERC rides - Erica Bramhall

    I want to thank you all for showing me that my husband is not the craziest left wing radical I've ever met. Compared to some of you guys, he is Mr. Conservative. I just cannot get over how this subject will NOT go away. For heavens sake- LET IT GO. It doesn't take a genius to know that 5 is too young to ride endurance, and if you have to be told that, well I just pray that you child grows up at all. I've heard some children grow up in spite of their parents upbringing. I guess that is true. Sorry if I step on some peoples toes, but that is just the way it is.

    Erica Bramhall

    From: "Howard Bramhall" <howard9732@xxxxxxx>
    To: "ridecamp" <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    Subject: Re: [RC]   Very young riders in AERC rides
    Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:18:44 -0400

    On and on the controversy goes; it's a non issue, people calling others morons, child abusers, El Whackos. I am just loving this so much I'm reluctant to throw in my two cents cause I seem to be able to kill a thread with idiodic comments quicker than most. From what I'm understanding, there is no age restriction for juniors as far as AERC goes, so a two year old on a horse is perfectly OK with ya'll doing a 50 as long as his parents approve. Is that correct?

    So, I guess if I let my 13 year old daughter drive my pick up truck and try to back it in next to your campsite with our three horse slant load trailer none of you will mind, cause I said it's OK. And if she takes out your awning because she misjudged, due to lack of experience, you won't get upset, right? OK, here we come!

    Look, we're a nation of Rules and Laws and so is most of the civilized world. Without them we might as well all live in Somalia, where the guy with the largest Private Army wins all the discussions. Some of you might think this is a non issue because it doesn't come up much. My guess is it doesn't come up much because not too many 4 year olds are out there on the endurance trail. Duh, we do have some parents with brains out there, which is kind of key to our survival as humans.

    I hate rules. I'm one of those who would normally say, "first rule is there are no rules." But, this is different. If you've ever experienced your kid on a runaway horse at a crowded endurance ride, and had that moment where you thought you might have to witness their death, right in front of your eyes, there would be no discussion here. And, believe me, I thought I had all the bases covered. She was an excellent rider, her horse was trained never to pass me and my horse (or so I thought), and I did this because of my kid's request of running with the front of the pack! Cause, like Heidi says, we shouldn't over protect the children and if they want to do something you should let them do it so they grow up real quick and turn out real strong. Well, Jen came close to never growing another inch at that ride.

    During that ride I would probably fall under Joe's description of child abuser, although I wouldn't go that far. Most parents think they know what they're doing when raising their child, and will let their kid take some risks, but avoid others. As a parent of MANY CHILDREN I know better than to offer advice or get caught up in what another parent is doing with their kids. But, come on, ya'll object to an 8 year old restriction on junior riders as the minimum? You want to leave it at zero? Let's at least make it 5. I'm amazed, totally amazed!

    Howard (SAVE THE KIDS NOW)

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