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    [RC] re: waivers for minors/loud mouths at ride meetings - Milinda Ellis


    I don't know about anywhere else, but the old saying about weather in Texas
    is true.  If you don't like it, wait a few minutes and it will change!  You
    cannot always know what's going to happen to your trail.  Even if you check
    it a day or two before the ride, things can still happen.  Shoot, I know of
    things happening to the trail DURING the ride (flash flooding).  There's
    nothing you can do about it.

    Another thing -- I haven't managed a ride, but have seriously been
    contemplating doing so and am furthering my "ride manager education" every
    chance I get.  However, I can tell you this in all honesty -- if you're
    going to post all these warnings, etc. in writing and have references made
    to them in the waiver, there goes pre-entries.  Also, who is going to
    prepare this?  THERE ARE NEVER ENOUGH VOLUNTEERS!!!  People don't realize
    that you have to have volunteers BEFORE the ride and AFTER it.  For example,
    trail neither clears nor marks itself and ofttimes, it must be UNMARKED
    after the ride.  Endurance is just like anything else -- a certain group of
    people show up to do the work while everyone else comes up to ride.  It is
    amazing to see the epiphany folks undergo when they can't ride but decide to
    stay and volunteer during the ride.  No, I'm not talking about crewing for
    someone else.

    Not only do people not listen at ride meeting, a lot of times, they don't
    even attend.  Whose fault is that if they're sitting in their camp shooting
    the bull and drinking a coldbeer?

    You also said:  "It's interesting to note that the legal issue with the
    skiing case was not liability, but the parent's right to sign a waiver on
    behalf of a minor."  Was that the legal issue?  That point of law would
    stretch to everything parents do with regard to their children, including
    consenting to invasive medical treatment.  I don't think parent's signing
    the waiver is the issue.  It seems to be a question of negligence on the
    part of the property owner and/or coach.

    Let's face it folks, we are a "litigation-happy" society and full of people
    who don't think they're responsible for their own stupidity.  Period!
    Hanging all the lawyers won't solve the problem (although I'd donate the
    rope to hang a few of them I know).  The problem is that the court (whether
    a judgment comes from the bench or a jury of your peers) makes stuff like
    this a lucrative business.  Lawyers don't award damages, they only seek
    them.

    Milinda Ellis
    Jewett, Texas



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