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Re: Feeding suggestions/ enteroliths



 
 
My mistake---it was R&L where I used to get my hay, anyway Rick and Lucy Van der Meer.  Not anymore, I'm up in northern Colorado now.  Anyway, the only objection I *sometimes* have to alfalfa/grass hay mixes is that the optimum quality alfalfa doesn't grow in the same season as optimum quality alfalfa, so if grown in the same field, one or the other is sometimes not the quality I'd like.  There are PLENTY of exceptions to that and a good producer makes all the difference.  Anyway, when I bought bermuda grass hay, the best quality (ie, most digestible) was that grown in cooler weather; and best quality alfalfa (for my purposes) was generally second or third cutting, summerish months.  I finally realized that I wasn't any further ahead by feeding alfalfa at all except to the broodmare (and even that in limited quantities), and so stopped buying more than a bale here or there.
 
I got all my hay and grain from R&L, my beet pulp from Caballeros.  When I first started asking for beet pulp at Caballero's in around '94, they said I was the first person they'd sold it to that wasn't feeding cattle.  When I left So Cal in Aug of '99, they said they were selling ten times as much, most of it to horse people.  :-)))
 
BTW, for anyone within range of Chino, Caballero's was willing to order in FatPak as well.
 
As far as the bermuda causing impaction (or at least more than other hays), I think it's largely urban legend, at least in So Cal.  The earlier cutting hay is definitely more digestible (less lignin) than those grown in really hot weather, and it also definitely isn't that melt-in-your-mouth dairy quality alfalfa available all other the place (about the only thing to recommend it *is* that it's really digestible).  When I was working at the Chino equine hospital (I was their foal supervisor while in undergrad), I did see alot of colic surgeries go through, but those impactions attributed to bermuda had been switched abruptly, or there were other factors, like dehydration, etc.  Anyway, I paid alot of attention to those sort of things and you still wouldn't catch me back in So Cal feeding anything other than either bermuda or that nice mix Beth and Lynne seem to be getting these days.
 
As for whether vinegar and/or psyllium are beneficial...well, come to Reno and you can hear about it during my seminar on Saturday.  :-)
 
Anyway, enough rambling, gotta get back to work.
 
Susan G
 
 
Hi ridecamp, Jennifer and Susan- I suspect you too might be neighbors! I too live here in the San Gabriel valley.  I have been giving some "beet pulp a la Garlinghouse", but also find it inconvenient when I'm working, and not around.  I have been able to get a nice 4 way Oat hay from R&L feed in Chino (ph 909-628-7016) sometimes at Caballero feed, in Ontario (ph 909-947-3814 or at San Dimas Grain 909-592-1951.  However, nobody has had any for a month or two.  It contained, Oats hay, Barley, Alfalfa, and Grass, and the horses ate it well. I know a guy who was snooping around in Ontario and found a feed store with 5 way. I'm not sure what the fifth thing was.  I also get "Low Energy" pellets, made by Ace High, and they are Alfalfa, Oat. I saw some other mills make an Alf/Oat pellet too, at the Equine affaire. I just haven't seen them around here. The problem is getting the little darlings to eat the nutritious meals I prepa! re.  Almost like kids.  What I am doing now is get a clean muck bucket, and I mix up the oat hay I have, with some alfalfa.  (One of my mares languishes if she doesn't get any alfalfa) The alfafla is so tasty it causes  them to eat the oat hay, while trying to get the alfalfa.  If I have someone feeding for me, I'll make the hay up the day before, I weigh it, and put it into empty feed bags so the person feeding for me can just pour  the bag of feed into the feeder and the horses get what I prepared. I was giving a little bermuda just for browsing during the day, my boarder had a coronary, 'cause she  knew a vet who said it also caused impaction.  But I don't believe it to be so if you give it in moderation, not as a complete meal that they may bolt down, and I think the wet beet pulp also helps in this regard.  I've been to the Chino hospital many a time, trailering friends horses or visiting, and they! have a collection of enteroliths you wouldn't believe, they could practically sell the things they get so many. Like for teaching or something. One of my friends lost a Quarter horse when he had one removed, and then moved another one the day after surgery, and got impacted again. (Too bad they missed that second one...) They had to put him down finally.  I think it's a peculiar Southern Calif. problem that is very common here. I have heard local folks say they give some Apple Cider vinegar every day to try to prevent it, also Psyllium for sand colic, but I don't know if the Vinegar has been studied or proven (Susan?)    Hope some of this may help. See you around! Beth Glover


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