Re: Re: RE: Another (or I missed it) Electrolyte question

["C. Osborne" <whiteokarabians@email.com>]

Have to agree 100% on that....and like I said before, there's no 100%
correct answer to cover all situations.  Each one needs its own answer.
Best you can do is learn to be a 'vet' for your own particular horse. (Like
that's easy or something LOL)

Corrine
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Holland <lanconn@tds.net>
To: C. Osborne <whiteoakarabians@email.com>; Ridecamp
<Ridecamp@endurance.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:04 PM
Subject: RC: Re: RE: Another (or I missed it) Electrolyte question


> Yes.....and here's another answer...in SOME cases, giving electrolytes
> (being salty) will MAKE your horse thirsty and encourage drinking.  If
> you don't believe that, eat a couple of my "Salt Cured Country Ham
> Biscuits".  You can USE that to your advantage in some rides that repeat
> loops.  One of the things I do in "repeat loop" rides is make a mental
> note of where there is copious water the first time I do the loop.  For
> example, Leatherwood had water all over the place...100 gallon tanks of
> it.  We were electrolyting at 1 hour out on each loop.  Once I had done
> the loop once, I would stop and electrolyte "just before" where I knew
> there was water. Duane Barnett and I both did that the second time on
> the first loop. Sunny and Sassy  would be thirsty from exertion AND
> thirsty from the salt in the electrolytes! They stuck their noses in the
> first tank they saw up to the nostrils and just sucked it down! Tough as
> that ride was, Sunny was straight A's on hydration.  Did get a B+ on
> capillary refill at the third check...never did figure that out.  My
> experience has been that before capillary refill drops, hydration (skin
> tenting) will drop.  Anybody have a clue here? Susan?
>
> Anyway, I follow Susan's advice.  Electrolye when you put him on the
> trailer, electrolyte when you get there, electrolyte at the "early"
> feeding, and electrolyte which you mount for warmup.  If a loop is over
> 1 1/2 hours, electrolye at one hour, especially if you KNOW there is
> lots of water. He'll just flush any extra anyway.  Just use good
> judgement on those loooong loops with no water.  During Leatherwood
> Jerry Fruth talked about the National Championship last year in New
> Mexico....20 miles with no water....Whew! Bet Irene was a prune! Great
> horse!
>
> Jim and Sun of Dimanche
>
> "C. Osborne" wrote:
> >
> > yes, there is a medical reson:  you're giving the electrolytes to help
the
> > body retain fluid and prevent dehydration..AND to replace vital
electrolytes
> > that are lost with sweat that the horse had to have in order to maintain
> > body functions.  Now, giving electrolytes without enough fluid actually
> > causes the body to become 'dehydrated' for all intents and purposes.
(has to
> > do with interstitial/extracellular/intervascular fluid shifts,
> > etc....confused yet?)
> >
> > Don't worry if this all seems very confusing...it is....actually,
> > fluid/electrolyte balance and acid/base balance are two of the most
> > difficult concepts in human or animal physiology.  They are both dynamic
> > things and dependent upon a myriad of 'if, and, or's.  There is no 100%
> > correct answer to cover a set of situations.  Every situation requires a
> > different answer to the same question :)
> >
> > Corrine
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Anna & Marty D. <diggsma@flash.net>
> > To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 9:44 AM
> > Subject: RC: RE: Another (or I missed it) Electrolyte question
> >
> > > Hello,
> > > I've been trying to follow this thread. I have a question. About
someone
> > >
> > > saying NOT to give electrolytes if the horse has not had a drink, why?
> > > Is there a medical reason? Please clarify.
> > > thanks,
> > > anna.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Subject: RC: RE: Electrolyte help?
> > > > Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:15:22 -0700
> > > > From: "Kathy Mayeda" <kathy_mayeda@atce.com>
> > > > To: "Rides 2 Far" <rides2far@juno.com>, <talerra@bellsouth.net>
> > > > CC: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> > > > Thanks Cathy for asking and thank you Angie for your answer.
> > > > I have been pondering electrolytes since my horse thumped
> > > > after my last two 50 completions.  After watching my
> > > > horse over the winter and figuring out that he always
> > > > stays well tanked up - the rule for not electrolyting until
> > > > after he drinks does not work for him.  By the time he
> > > > is drinking he is under-electrolyted.  So, Angie, you
> > > > having said what you said makes me feel a little more
> > > > confirmed on my analysis!
> > > >
> > > > K.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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