Re: Re: Re: Re: uh-oh, Insulted Farrier

["Maggie Mieske" <mmieske@netonecom.net>]

Excellent point about WHEN to discipline.  I can't believe how many people
will object to Nelson smacking their horse AT THE EXACT MOMENT the bad
behavior has occurred but then ask him to step aside while they proceed to
inflict THEIR version of jerking around and smacking the horse themselves! 
The horse learns nothing.  Kind of like spanking a dog that won't come when
it's called when it finally DOES come back!  I can't remember where/who
advocates the 3 second rule.  You have to discipline a horse within 3
seconds of the behavior and for NO longer than 3 seconds. Anyone have more
to offer on this?  Is it Lyons or Parelli or someone like that? Sometimes a
growl is all a horse needs to shape up.  Sometimes a good smack gets their
attention and lets them know the situation is serious.  I don't like to see
a rasp used ever though Nelson will sometimes tap the horse with the tip if
he can't use his hand.  


Maggie Mieske
Mieske's Silver Lining
10601 S. Richards Rd.
McBain, Michigan 49657
http://www.netonecom.net/~mmieske
mmieske@netonecom.net

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> From: CMKSAGEHIL@aol.com
> To: michrowe@frontier.net; mmieske@netonecom.net; ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: RC:   Re: Re: Re: uh-oh, Insulted Farrier
> Date: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 7:37 PM
> 
> In a message dated 7/18/00 4:24:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
> michrowe@frontier.net writes:
> 
> << I am not against smacking the horse with a hand when it helps.  How
about
>  with a rasp?  In either case, if it makes the horse progressively more
>  resistant to the farrier, doesn't that mean it's best to find a better
way
>  before there is a REAL problem horse? >>
> 
> The secret is to know when to slap and when not to.  Once in awhile, an
older 
> horse who flat knows better will squirrel around.  One sharp smack, and
they 
> say "Yes, sir!" and stand like a rock.  OTOH, this is no way to TRAIN a
horse 
> that does not yet know what proper behavior is.  The secret to being a 
> horseman is knowing the difference.  My farrier will literally spend
hours 
> with a youngster, and will get the job done with no fight picked and no
hide 
> missing from either party.  He is a magician with a leg rope, letting
them 
> work at it with no fight until it is no big deal, and then he can
generally 
> trim them without it.  (I'm a firm believer in this, anyway--can't begin
to 
> list the times that being rope broke has saved various of my horses from 
> serious injury--and myself as well, when I've accidentally ridden into 
> hazards hidden in brush or grass.)  Within a few trims, they are very 
> accepting and generally quite well behaved.  But if one of my older,
broke 
> horses is an idiot, I'd prefer that he get one good swift reminder--even
with 
> the flat of the rasp.  With the broke ones, hissy-fits are rare, but it
only 
> takes once to correct the behavior, too!  In the years that I've worked
with 
> my present farrier, I'm sure I could count the number of times he's
whacked a 
> horse on one hand and have fingers left over--but I've never seen him do
it 
> on a horse that wouldn't understand the form of discipline, either!
> 
> Heidi
> 
> 
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