RE: RE: Re: Breeds

["Kathy Mayeda" <kathy_mayeda@atce.com>]

Wow, it is an alternate reality in the halter world, isn't it?  The more I
know about horses, the less enchanted I am about halter show ring.  Just
wanna ride.

K.

-----Original Message-----
From:	Bette Lamore [mailto:woa@stormnet.com]
Sent:	Thursday, June 15, 2000 1:23 PM
To:	Kathy Mayeda
Cc:	RhndLev@cs.com; superpat@gateway.net; Ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject:	RC:   RE: Re: Breeds

Hi Kathy
Interesting coincidence: 2 of my horses came back from Mike and one was
light on his front (reared and struck out when he returned--- usually
happens with horses who are whipped on the knees where it creates no
welts) ---and the other yearling filly tried to nail my barn guys when
she returned. Both had left my barn REALLY SWEET and KIND.
Coincidence???? Took me months to get them back to their old selves
(after 6 months with Mike).
Bette

Kathy Mayeda wrote:
>
> Rhonda - Well said, I think you covered all the bases.  Beau and
Beamer's
> sire, Joust, had charged Mike Neal at the Scottsdale show and I'm sure
that
> Joust now has a "reputation."  He's a very smart horse and he simply
cannot
> be pushed.  With the right handler/rider he's a wonderful horse.  I'm
not
> saying that Mike Neal was abusive.  Joust probably just had enough
"halter"
> for the day, and saw no more use for it!
>
> The mares also have a lot to do with disposition.  Beau's dam is
totally
> mellow and is one of those that kids can crawl all over her.  Beau
tends to
> be like that, but has his sire's aggressiveness in performance.
Beamer's
> dam I didn't know, but she was the most unpopular horse on the ranch
for the
> duration of her breedlease.  Beamer is extremely smart and a prima
donna.
> She's likable, but it has to be on her terms, otherwise she fights and
> pouts.
>
> And a breeder I know is no longer linebreeding a certain line because
of
> disposition issues.  These horses don't bond well with people and take
many
> times as long to train to do basic stuff.  But this is after breeding
> several babies that way!
>
> Kathy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   RhndLev@cs.com [mailto:RhndLev@cs.com]
> Sent:   Thursday, June 15, 2000 7:45 AM
> To:     superpat@gateway.net; Ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject:        RC:   Re: Breeds
>
> You've been lucky, Pat.  My first Arabs were well-bred on paper
anyway,
> had
> good conformation, but were not at all NICE.  I spent hundreds of
hours
> with
> the first taming her and teaching her manners, watching John Lyons and
> Pat
> Parelli videos and trying those techniques on her, etc, etc.  After
> three
> years, I could easily handle her in situations she was used to, but
> EVERY new
> situation or thing required starting all over with the entire
> de-spooking
> process.  [Her full sister was the same way.]  Then one day, when I
> thought I
> had the horse thoroughly de-spooked, she charged my children with her
> teeth
> bared and ears laid back.  My children were standing at the fence line
> feeding the other horses grass and doing nothing threatening.  I paid
> $6500.00 for the mare and sold her after she charged my kids for
$500.00
> and
> still feel like I ripped the person off.  The person I sold her to,
BTW,
> says
> that Dancer is the best behaved Arabian that she has ever dealt with.
>
> On the other hand, I agreed to give a retirement home to a Raseyn
> granddaughter and have never regretted it.  She is great with my kids
> and a
> wonderful friend.  My Padron Psyche daughter has a wonderful
disposition
> and
> is very mellow.  I'm leasing a line-bred Gulastra mare and while she
is
> a
> little hot, she doesn't have a mean bone in her body.  A good horse is
a
> good
> horse.  The problem I've run into with the Arabians is that too few
> breeders
> now think that disposition matters and/or certain halter trainers are
> encouraging psychotic behavior in the horses.
>
> Rhonda and Special
>
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Bette Lamore
Whispering Oaks Arabians, Home of 16.2hh TLA Halynov
(yes, REALLY!)
http://www.arabiansporthorse.com


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